Grocery Outlet Holding (NASDAQ:GO) reported first-quarter financial results on Wednesday. The transcript from the company's first-quarter earnings call has been provided below.
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Summary
Grocery Outlet Holding reported Q1 2026 revenue of $1.17 billion, up 3.6% year-over-year, with comparable store sales down 1%, slightly better than expected.
The company is focusing on restoring customer value perception by increasing the mix of branded opportunistic products and enhancing promotional efforts, with a $20 million investment planned for 2026.
Grocery Outlet Holding completed 34 store refreshes in Q1 and plans to refresh 100 stores by year-end, prioritizing store-level performance improvements.
The company closed 36 underperforming stores, expecting an adjusted EBITDA improvement of approximately $12 million annually due to restructuring.
Grocery Outlet Holding is enhancing analytical tools and insights for independent operators, focusing on improving store performance and engagement.
Management reaffirmed its full-year guidance, expecting improvements in gross margin and sales as opportunistic products increase in the mix.
The company is exploring strategic options for its Ugo business and has made key hires to strengthen leadership, including a new Chief Marketing Officer.
Full Transcript
OPERATOR
Greetings and welcome to the Grocery Outlet's first quarter 2026 earnings results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ian Ferry, Senior Vice President of Strategic Finance and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Ian Ferry (Senior Vice President of Strategic Finance and Investor Relations)
Good afternoon and welcome to Grocery Outlet's call to discuss financial results for the first quarter ended April 4, 2026. Speaking for management on today's call will be Jason Potter, President and Chief Executive Officer and Chris Miller, Chief Financial Officer. Following prepared remarks from Jason and Chris, we will open the call for questions. Please note that this conference call is being webcast live and a recording will be available via playback on the Investor Relations SECtion of the Company's website. Participants on this call may make forward looking statements with the meaning of the Federal SECurities laws. All statements that address future operating financial or business performance or the Company's strategies or expectations are forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. Description of these factors can be found in this afternoon's press release as well as in the Company's periodic reports filed with the SEC, all of which may be found on the Investor Relations SECtion of the Company's website or on SEC.gov the company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward looking statements or information. These statements are estimates only and not a guarantee of future performance. Additionally, during today's call, the Company will reference certain non Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) financial information, including adjusted items. Reconciliation of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) to non Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) measures as well as the description, limitations and rationale for using each measure may be found in the Supplemental Financial Tables included in this afternoon's press release, on the Investors SECtion of the Company's website under News and Releases and in the Company's SEC filings. And now I would like to turn it over to Jason Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us on today's call. In the first quarter we delivered results in line with our guidance as our work to strengthen the business gained traction. We reported Q1 revenue of 1.17 billion, up 3.6% with comparable store sales down 1%, slightly ahead of our outlook for a decline of minus 2.5% to negative 1.5%. Traffic remained positive, up approximately 2% with consistent improvement throughout the quarter. This was offset by continued basket pressure from lower units per transaction. Gross margin of 29.6% was also within our outlook range and included a 50 basis point impact related to our previously announced store closures. Adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) of 43.1 million came in at the top end of our range, while adjusted earnings per share (EPS) of $0.05 was a penny above the guidance range we shared in March. As I mentioned, performance improved as the quarter progressed, with traffic strengthening each month and exiting March at a meaningful higher rate than at the start of the quarter. In the month of March, weekly traffic grew in the range of 2% to 5% year to year, reaffirming that our value oriented product offering continues to resonate with consumers. While we're encouraged by the progress we're beginning to see, we're not satisfied with our current level of performance and are focused on the work we have in front of us. As we said in March, we entered 2026 with a clear agenda restore what makes this brand special, tighten execution where we've fallen short, and improve returns. That work is well underway and while it's still early, the traction we see reinforces our conviction that we are taking the right action. Grocery Outlet has meaningful strengths, a differentiated model, a highly relevant value proposition, strong independent operators, and a format that resonates when we execute well. Our focus is on translating those strengths into a more consistent performance. Our work to achieve this centers on improving comp store performance while continuing to advance important strategic initiatives that deliver stronger long term growth and profitability. Restoring Customer Value Perception Let me start with customer value perception because that's where our work begins. Our job right now is to make Grocery Outlet a more compelling choice for the customer. In this environment, value matters more than ever. We must make that value visible, consistent fighting and easy to shop. We executed on that in several ways during this last quarter. First and most importantly, we've made meaningful strides to increase the mix of branded opportunistic products in our stores. Our best opportunistic deals offer savings up to 70% versus conventional retailers. These savings, when paired with the excitement of a treasure hunt experience, provide a compelling experience that our customers love. Since the start of the year, we've increased our opportunistic mix by nearly 2 percentage points with meaningful improvement across inventory, shipments, variety and sales. We've made meaningful progress sourcing, increasing product visibility and helping operators further differentiate their stores. That works included upgrading systems and reporting, expanding supplier outreach, shortening delivery times, testing short dated offerings and engaging suppliers more directly. At the leadership level. These efforts enabled us to move quickly in Q1 on excess inventory from several top selling brands, delivering significant savings for customers while creating high margin, high volume opportunities for us and our operators. Second, we invested in reshaping value perception as we work to improve the impact of our opportunistic supply. The near term synthetic promotional support we're providing is driving customers into our stores. It's been especially effective around high traffic occasions like this year's super bowl and Easter where event driven promotions help drive meaningful traffic gains. This is an important first step in restoring comp performance as the momentum from our improving opportunistic product mix begins to translate into stronger transaction trends. Through the first quarter we received positive feedback from both customers and our iOS and as we invest, we're managing the impact on gross margins through disciplined promotional targeting and our ongoing focus on improving our mix. We continue to expect these investments to be in the range of $20 million for this year. Third, we're sharpening our value messaging through our Extreme Value campaign. This work is focused on making our value proposition unmistakable, highlighting the significant savings customers can find on branded products, often at meaningful discounts to conventional retailers and reinforcing the excitement of the treasure hunt experience that defines grocery outlet. To support this, we're driving awareness through targeted at home and digital campaigns that bring our deals and product discovery to life. In market, we're focused on awareness based media. In store, we're simplifying signage and elevating key value items to make savings more visible, easier to navigate and more compelling at the shelf. Together, these three initiatives with a singular focus of improving value are beginning to drive a meaningful positive and customer response reflected in improving sales, improving traffic trends, net promoter score and survey data while reinforcing one another. Though there's much to do to restore comp performance, the trends we're seeing in traffic are consistent with the initial stages of stabilization that we would expect at this point. Improving the in Store Experience we also continue to improve the in store experience to support stronger store level performance across our fleet. One of the most important of these initiatives is our store refresh program and in the first quarter we completed 34. As of today, we've completed 58 stores in total. These refresh stores are benefiting from improvements in layout, signage and merchandising that make the shopping trip easier and reinforce value more clearly. We continue to receive positive feedback from both customers and operators and we are confident that improving the customer in store experience is the right step for grocery outlet and that it will become an important lever over time. The impact of our value restoration initiatives in Q1 reinforces our conviction that an all hands on deck focus on executing Our opportunistic engine is the fastest and most effective path to improving results across the business, with a clear path to deliver on that objective the results that support that focus. We're prioritizing our initial resources on that work. That requires deliberate choices about how we execute our other priorities this year, including taking a more measured pace on our store refresh program. We will continue to invest in these longer term improvements to our stores while maintaining a near term focus on driving comp sales through opportunistic initiatives that I've discussed. As we balance our resources around these efforts, we now expect to complete approximately 100 store refreshes by year end. This sharper focus will reduce distractions and help us return comp growth as quickly as possible. Supporting Independent Operators Independent operators are central to restoring our performance and they've been clear about what they need. Better analytical tools, more actionable insight, greater visibility into what is working across the system. And that's exactly what we're focused on delivering. In Q1. We made meaningful progress during the quarter. We held regional forms to share best practices across operators. We enhanced benchmarking capabilities and expanded the functionality of our real time order guide. We also streamlined commercial communications to help operators simplify execution at store level. Importantly, we also launched a new annual business review or ABR process across our entire store base. This process benchmarks each store against top quartile peers with similar market characteristics and sales volumes, then translates those performance gaps into clear profit opportunities for our operators to pursue for each store. We can now help operators quantify the potential opportunity across sales, mix shrink and other important operating expenses, while enabling operators to track progress against those opportunities over time. Just as importantly, we pair these insights with best practice recommendations and field support to help operators realize those improvements. While company wide margin performance in Q1 was impacted by strategic promotional investments as well as inventory liquidations associated with our store closures, we're encouraged by the underlying operational trends we're seeing at store level. Operators saw encouraging trends in profitability during the quarter, driven primarily by better shrimp performance. If these Q1 improvements are sustained through the balance of the year, they could translate into meaningful incremental annual operator income per store over time. Improvements like these create meaningful upside for grocery outlet through stronger gross profit performance across the system. Our ABR process encourages accountability while giving operators a practical roadmap to improve their business supported by quarterly reviews and ongoing field partnership. And we believe that as operators see benefits from these enhanced analytical tools, engagement with the key company initiatives will also improve. When operators have the right tools, visibility and support to execute effectively, the customer experience improves, store performance improves, operator economics strengthen and the overall business should become more productive and resilient. Optimizing the Store Base and Strengthening Returns As I mentioned earlier, we continue to drive our key strategic objectives as we work to restore comp performance. Among our most important objectives are optimizing the store base and improving our returns. As we outlined in March, we are closing 36 underperforming stores this year. These closures are now complete and have improved fleet quality and will strengthen the earnings profile of the business over time. Based on the progress we've achieved to date, we continue to expect adjusted earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) improvement of approximately 12 million at the conclusion of our restructuring on an annual run rate basis. We've also tightened our approach to new store growth. We continue to believe that there is substantial white space ahead for Grocery Outlet, but growth must be disciplined, productive and supported by the right economics. That means being more selective on real estate, rigorous underwriting and holding ourselves to high standards on capital returns. This approach will position us to grow from a stronger foundation and create more value over time. We are focused not just on growing, but growing in a sustainable way. Finally, as we noted in March, we're continuing to explore strategic options for Ugo and we'll provide updates when we have more to share. Securing Top Talent Having the right strategy is critical to our success. So is having the right talent to execute it. We recently welcomed Jim Porterfield as our next Chief Marketing Officer. Jim brings more than 30 years of brand leadership and consumer insight experience to Grocery Outlet. Jim previously served as Chief Marketing Officer at Pinsight Media and as a Senior Vice President at Bernstein Wren Advertising before founding his own firm, Meaningful Works. Most recently, he's advised several well known retail and restaurant brands including Grocery Outlet. Jim's experience, strategic judgment and passion for building strong brands make him the right leader to help advance our strategy and strengthen Grocery Outlet's position as one of America's most loved brands. Securing top talent is also a priority at our board level. In April we added two exceptional independent directors. Frances Allen brings over 40 years of consumer and food industry expertise across brand strategy, marketing, franchising, technology and operations. Alicia Thornton brings more than 30 years of executive leadership across grocery retail specialty retail with deep expertise in corporate finance, strategic growth and operational restructuring and governance. Both new members have highly relevant experience that will help our efforts to strengthen execution and reinforce Grocery Outlets long standing leadership in value. Finally, in closing, when taken together, we believe that our near term actions and continued execution against our strategic priorities position us for improved performance While we still have work ahead, we're making solid progress that's beginning to be reflected in the business. We're executing our plan, improving consistency and building a more durable foundation. I'm confident that the work underway will position Grocery Outlet to become a stronger, more productive and more profitable business for many years to come. I want to thank our independent operators, our team members and our supply partners for their hard work and their commitment. I'd also like to thank our shareholders for your continued support as we move the business forward with focus and attention. I'll now turn it over to Chris to walk through the quarter and the financials in more detail. Thank you.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Thanks Jason. Our first quarter results demonstrate the early progress we're achieving against the initiatives we began implementing at the start of the year. The work we're undertaking to reinvigorate our opportunistic product flow and the investments we made in promotion help stabilize and improve our sales trends. At the same time, we advanced our store refresh program as well as our planned store closures to strengthen performance across the fleet. I'll walk you through our first quarter results and then comment on our outlook for the year and second quarter. Please note the comparisons I will provide are on a year over year basis unless otherwise indicated. Starting with the top line first quarter net sales increased 3.6% to $1.17 billion, driven by stores opened over the last 12 months, partially offset by a decrease in comparable store sales. In the first quarter. We opened 7 new stores and closed 28, which includes 27. As we began implementing our restructuring, ending the quarter with 549 stores in 16 states. We closed the remaining nine stores tied to the restructuring in April. Comparable store sales declined 1% in the first quarter. As Jason mentioned, this was slightly ahead of our outlook and driven by continued positive traffic, which was up 2.1% but was offset by a 3.1% decline in average transaction size. We noted in our March call that a lower mix of opportunistic products has weighed on our ticket size. We're addressing this by improving the levels of opportunistic products in our mix, investing in promotions and sharpening our value messaging. Since implementing those initiatives at the start of the year, we saw a month over month improvement in Comp results throughout Q1. While the primary benefits thus far have been seen in customer traffic, we expect benefits to ticket to follow. Gross profit increased just under 1% to $345.2 million, representing a gross margin of 29.6%. Gross margin included approximately $6 million or 50 basis point impact from inventory liquidations and write downs related to the announced store closures. The 80 basis point year over year decline in gross margin was driven primarily by promotional investments as well as the impact from store closures partially offset by improvements in inventory management. SG&A increased 4.8% to $347 million representing 29.8% of net sales. A 40 basis point year over year increase driven primarily by higher professional fees, commissions and other costs to support the growth of the business, partially offset by lower incentive compensation. In the quarter we had restructuring charges of $18.2 million related to the store closures and a non cash goodwill impairment charge of $158 million related to the decline in our market capitalization below the operating line. Net interest expense was $6.4 million from roughly in line with prior year. Our effective tax rate was 2.2% compared with 19.7% last year. The year to year change was primarily attributable to the goodwill impairment charge recognized during the quarter, which reduced the effective tax rate by 13.2%. Net loss for the first quarter was $180.3 million or a net loss of $1.83 per fully diluted share owing primarily to the restructuring and noncash goodwill impairment charges I mentioned a moment ago. This compares to a Net loss of $23.3 million or $0.24 per fully diluted share last year, which was also impacted by restructuring charges. Adjusted net income, which excludes restructuring charges and the goodwill impairment along with other items was $4.6 million or $0.05 per fully diluted share. Adjusted EBITDA was $43.1 million for the quarter, representing 3.7% of net sales, compared to $51.9 million or 4.6% of net sales last year. Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow, we ended the quarter with $59 million in cash and approximately $175 million in available capacity on a revolver. Total debt net of issuance costs was $489.3 million at the end of the first quarter, down $3.6 million from the end of 2025 with net leverage of 1.8 times adjusted EBITDA. Net cash provided by operating activities during the first quarter was $52.6 million, down from 58.9 million last year. The decrease in operating cash flow was driven primarily by changes in working capital including inventory and accrued liabilities, partially offset by a lower net loss in the current quarter after adjusting for non cash charges. Capex for the first quarter was $56.8 million or 53.9 million net of tenant improvement allowances. We expect to spend approximately $170 million in CapEx for the year. Now on to our outlook. We are reiterating our guidance for the full year, the details of which are included in our earnings release. For the second quarter, we expect comparable store sales to decline between 1.5% and 2%. This includes an estimated 50 basis point headwind from the Easter calendar shift. We expect Gross margin between 29.8 and 30% as we expect to continue promotional investments. To bridge the ramp of our opportunistic product mix, adjusted EBITDA between 55 million to 58 million and diluted EPS of $0.11 to $0.13 per share. In conclusion, the execution of the initiatives we laid out at the start of the year is driving early results. We're restoring the value and shopping experience customers expect and that has contributed to stabilizing and improving comp trends. At the same time, we're managing the business with discipline while continuing to advance our important strategic initiatives. We're confident that the work we're doing today will better position the company for sustainable growth. We look forward to sharing more about the progress we're achieving throughout the year. With that, we'll now open it up for questions.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please. While we poll for questions, the first question is from Edward Kelly from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Edward Kelly (Equity Analyst at Wells Fargo)
Yes, hi. Good morning guys. I wanted to start on the guidance. So you maintain the guidance for the full year Q1 a little bit better. I mean you sound certainly a bit more optimistic. But the backdrop, if you think about the macro, the low income consumers under more pressure, supply chain costs are probably higher with fuel, I would think. I'm just curious if you could sort of take a step back because you are still implying better results, especially in the back half of the year. How you thought about these considerations and what's baked into the guidance for it.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, thanks Edward, it's Jason here. First, I'd just say our business has typically benefited from a counter cyclical demand when there's pressure on the consumer and we have every Expectation the work we're doing now will benefit Grocery Outlet as we improve value for customers. When we take a look at our progress we're making against our opportunistic plan, it gives us confidence that the results so far of our results so far that we're going to have continued progress that's going to drive performance improvement through this year. And I think when we think about the year, the only thing I would say is given our recent comp volatility and the short period of time we've had comp stabilization, we think we're being prudent with the outlook given those backdrops.
Edward Kelly (Equity Analyst at Wells Fargo)
Can I maybe just follow up on the outlook as it pertains to the gross margin? So you dedicated $20 million to the sort of promotional bridge in Q1. Curious as to how you're thinking about sort of confidence level around not needing to continue that in the back half. And then could you specifically maybe just talk a bit more about what the impact of fuel is on your supply chain costs and what's in guidance for that? Yeah.
Chris Miller (Chief Financial Officer)
Hi, Edward, it's Chris. Yeah. In terms of gross margins, this business has been very consistent in delivering gross margins in the past. Right. And we fully expect to get back to those levels once we get through the promotional spend that we've talked about, the 20 million and opportunistic product begins to be a bigger component of our mix, which we expect towards the back half of the year. So, you know, our first quarter we saw 29.6% margin and we've talked about the 50 basis points there from the store closures. So that gets you to, you know, a little bit over 30 for Q1 with the promotional spend in there. And then our guidance also includes some additional liquidations in the second quarter. 1.5 million related to the closures. So we'll have a little bit of that in there for the second quarter and then the promotions. But after that we start to kind of wind down or slow the or lessen the promotional spend in Q3 and then totally in Q4. So we expect to be at higher levels of gross margin in the back half of the year. The impact of the fuel is not all that significant at this point. It's about maybe 10 basis points that we've seen so far. Far.
OPERATOR
Okay, thank you. The next question is from Mark Cardin from ubs. Please go ahead.
Mark Cardin (Equity Analyst at UBS)
Good afternoon. Thanks so much for taking the question. So to start, I wanted to dig into the store refreshes a bit. Sounds like you guys have made good progress getting to 58 but you're reducing the target to 100 this year just as you've deployed these. Have you seen any deceleration in their comp lifts? Would just be great to get a little more color decision to slow these a bit and reprioritize some of the investments in value.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, it's Marcus Jason here. Thanks for the question. First, I just want to say I believe we believe we have a huge opportunity to improve the in store experience and execution in the business over time. And just as a reminder why we began this journey on refresh was to improve the customer experience. The feedback we got from customers has been directly incorporated into what we're doing there and it's intended to improve the customer experience in three ways. One, improving the ease of shop. Two, improving our in stock and the consistency for customers there. And we also improved the merchandising and implemented stronger signage to communicate value. What we've seen so far is in all of the executions as we measure customer feedback, we've got improvements in perception. The operators have loved the changes and gotten really fantastic feedback. The first group of stores that have one full quarter of sales reporting is hitting the numbers we've been talking about. We feel good about that. This is really about pacing for us. So it's important that as we prioritize the company's resources to focus wholly on OP execution, which is the fastest way for us to improve our comp sales, that this is a calibration of effort. I do want to share though that as we scale this up, we have had some more variability in sales and execution and the team feels that pacing this to more like 100 locations will give us the needed support we need to help operators through that change. We expect that in the fullness of time, all the stores will meet our sales expectations.
Mark Cardin (Equity Analyst at UBS)
Great. Appreciate the color there. And then as a follow up, just with respect to traffic, you guys have seen a nice acceleration there. Are you seeing any meaningful differences right now in behavior between some of the different income cohorts? And just what specifically are you seeing with respect to the SNAP customer? Thanks.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, I guess first on the SNAP customer, still a little less than 10% of our sales and everything we see there on EBT dollars and customers is relatively stable. So I don't think there's anything we can add at this point where that's what we see there. Second question on traffic, again, not seeing a big difference in kind of cohort, but continued improvement in traffic month on month on month as the quarter progressed.
Mark Cardin (Equity Analyst at UBS)
Thanks so much for good luck guys.
OPERATOR
The next question is from Simeon Gutman from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Zach
Hi, this is Zach on for Simeon. Thanks for taking your questions. I wanted to ask about the OP mix improvement. You mentioned that there was about a two point improvement in mix and that has supported transactions. I'm curious why that wouldn't have translated to better units per transaction as well since you also said UPT was still under pressure this quarter. Thanks.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yes, thanks for the question, Zach. The reason why we're talking about op, it's the value engine that drives this company's comp sales and we think we're on track to make that happen. A couple bullet points on the improvement and mix. So shipments are up, inventory is up, sales are up. Over 200 basis points in the mix. We did not see a major improvement in upt, but we did see the traffic improvement. So we, we feel that the work we've done on promotion, communication and the work on OP shows up in a number of ways. First and foremost, we're seeing traffic increase. Secondly, we're seeing that nps, our value scores increase and we think that's directly related to the work we're doing on OP now as the year goes on, we expect to see improvement in basket over time. So at this point we've had the nice bump in traffic. We see and feel that that's now on track and we'll look to continue to see basket improvement as we work that mix.
OPERATOR
The next question is from John Heinbockle from Guggenheim Partners. Please go ahead.
John Heinbockle (Equity Analyst at Guggenheim Partners)
Hey, Jason, you referenced all hands on up. So I'm curious, what does that entail differently than what you might have had a couple of months ago and then what's the importance of the short dated product? Imagine you can get good value, but there's shrink risk. How are you attacking that?
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, thanks for the questions, John. I'll start with the last. First short coated product is something we've started to experiment with. So you know, there's a. With visibility in the system, we're able now to see what's happening in a different way than we did previously. So we're flagging that product differently. We've started with one major vendor, we are monitoring it through the supply chain differently. And obviously the work we've done on improving reporting, visibility and tracking helps us increase speed and flow of opinion through the supply chain. And so as that pilot works its way out, we'll continue to expand that into other vendors for the obvious benefit of expanding our OP mix and margin and value for customers on the Other piece with focus, whether it's operations, the buying team, what have you, it's a matter of narrowing our focus to make sure that all hands and all functions of the company are working to help execute our OP plan. Given how important it is to our comp sales and the relationship we have with those two things. Just one example that I think really helps people understand why this is so important. There's a relationship in our highest comping locations where we have strong OP and that OP has everything to do with how it's ordered, how it's merchandised and the focus we continue to work on optimizing our assortments. So we've made some reductions on MTO and private label product to make room for op. We're working on our communication of extreme value positioning that we've talked about. We've rolled out new reporting and visibility and we've done some of that in operations as well. That helps people see and understand what's happening. And we've increased our supplier engagement to refocus our teams on what we do best, which is prioritizing OP and making deals and translating that into value for customers.
OPERATOR
Thank you. Thanks, John. The next question is from Robbie Ohms from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Robbie Ohms (Equity Analyst at Bank of America)
Hey Chris. Couple of quick follow ups. The first, just on the second quarter comp guidance, minus, I think you said minus 1.5 to minus 2. What's the traffic and ticket sort of assumption that we should be using there?
Chris Miller (Chief Financial Officer)
Well, I think, I mean from a traffic perspective, I think we'll continue to see the positive traffic that we exited Q1 and then as Jason talked about improving the basket, you know, that will start to happen as, as OPP becomes a greater percentage of the mix. So I think we're expecting to see that start to improve probably towards the back half of the second quarter.
Robbie Ohms (Equity Analyst at Bank of America)
Gotcha. And then just on the. You mentioned promotions in a couple of different ways. So the promotions you're doing, were you doing promotions that were a significant benefit to the comps in the first quarter? Like are promotions helping the 2.1% transaction comp?
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, just to kind of reference what we're talking about Robbie, is you know, we typically am not a promotional company. The key way that this company delivers value through opportunistic supply. And so we can think of this, we saw in Q4 we had a shortage of product and we wanted to make sure that we bridged a gap between what we felt we needed in call it value driving product and what we had in the system. And so the promotions that we developed, the synthetic promotions that we created with branded product are meant to be a bridge as we work our op plan. And so what's happening through Q1 and what's happening as this year goes on is as we improve our mix, as we improve the inventory and range that we see progress on right now, we'll start to taper those mechanical synthetic promotions, turn those down as the OP turns up. And you know, what we're seeing in the business is that we're making that trade off kind of as we speak and feel good about the progress on that front.
OPERATOR
Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. Thanks, Robbie. The next question is from Jeremy Hamblin, from Craig Hallam. Please go ahead.
Jeremy Hamblin (Equity Analyst at Craig Hallam)
Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to come back to the opportunistic mix. And as you're going through the soar refreshes, as you're looking at kind of building back opportunistic product, can you give us a sense for what portion of the mix do you want it to get to and is there potential to take it even further if it's driving better basket and driving more traffic, just ultimately gaining a sense for where you think this will go and how long you expect it to take?
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yes. Thanks for the question, Jeremy. We have a historical sort of mix where we think the weight of this is very helpful for the business. We see that with our highest performing stores and comps we do have. I don't think we talked about this, but you know, something that gets close to half and half on a mixed basis is very healthy for us. And you know, that's as we promote the mix or talk about adding range and variety in our operations, we see improvements in the mix or the for OP versus like as an example, mto. There's still value created with our made to order product, but clearly the level of discount, the level of value and the accretion of margin is very helpful for our business. And so that's something we're just going to continue, continue to work on broadly by category and by store. And so I'd love to see that get to, you know, closer to a 5050 blend. We're not at that level at this point, but where we see a high level of op, we see a high level of sales.
Jeremy Hamblin (Equity Analyst at Craig Hallam)
Where is the mix blending at across the chain today?
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
It's not something we'll release on a call, but I think what's important is we've had about a 200 basis point improvement in that mix since the beginning of the quarter and we can see clearly the relationship between that mix and the value that gets created for the customer. And as I said, that's helpful given that's how we differentiate our business as well as very helpful on the margin front.
Jeremy Hamblin (Equity Analyst at Craig Hallam)
Fair enough. Switching gears just on the UGO strategic alternatives, are you at this point in time getting a sense for what the options are with that, if there's potential bidders for that business? And can you share with us the expected timeframe in which you would be able to share with us kind of what decisions are being made? Is that a 2026 initiative?
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Sure. Yeah. No, thanks for the question. Yeah, we're getting a sense of what the options are and we'll share more when we have something substantial to share. Definitely a 26 conversation.
Jeremy Hamblin (Equity Analyst at Craig Hallam)
Got it. Thanks for taking the questions. Best wishes.
Corey Carlow (Equity Analyst at Jefferies)
The next question is from Corey Carlow from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Great, Thanks. I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about kind of the improvements that you saw within the quarter, maybe by month and then quarter to date. If you could just give us kind of what you saw from a traffic and ticket perspective. Because one would think that based on you talking about improvements and how the business is value oriented, that when gas prices rise, maybe there was an inflection in the business. So I'm curious, could you kind of talk through what you saw and what you're seeing? That would be really helpful. Thanks so much.
Corey Carlow (Equity Analyst at Jefferies)
Yeah, thanks for the question, Corey. Again, I think we are firm believers the business is going to get back to healthy levels of comp sales performance over time. January, as we shared in March, we believe we hit bottom after experiencing traffic erosion and sales erosion throughout Q4. And on the last call, we talked about expecting sequential improvement in comps driven by traffic through strengthening our net promoter scores and obviously through the OP metrics that we had outlined. And that's played out as planned. And so traffic was close to flat at the beginning of the year and we saw again, sequential, sequential improvement. We saw a nice range of traffic in March, although we had, you know, there's an Easter shift kind of there something between 2 and 5% traffic on given weeks. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks. We thought we did, you know, a really nice job connecting with the customer on some key events in Q1 that we think will help with momentum as we go forward, including Super Bowl. And we thought we had a very strong Easter, so not as much progress on the basket as was asked earlier. But we do think that as we work this plan that we'll See improvements in units per transaction as OPP becomes a stronger part of our mix.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Got it. And then I just wanted to ask a quick follow up. So it looks like your comps were minus one in Q1 and then in Q2 it sounds like you're guiding to. I think it was negative 1.5 to 2. So if traffic is improving at the offset that I guess the units per transaction has been lower. I'm just trying to understand the deceleration from Q1 to Q2. Thanks so much.
Corey Carlow (Equity Analyst at Jefferies)
Yeah, great question. I just think just to share, given our recent comp volatility and the short period of stabilization we've had, we just want to be prudent with our outlook.
Leah Jordan (Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs)
The next question is from Leah Jordan from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Hi. Thank you for taking my question. I wanted to go back to one of Ed's questions because what has changed since we've last connected is the inflationary backdrop. But your outlook is staying the same. Just we talked about fuel, but maybe just digging deeper on the cost side. How are you thinking about inflationary pressure pressures in the year? What are you hearing from suppliers? Anything there? And then ultimately how do you think about your ability to pass anything on as we move through the year in this environment, as you're still kind of working on your value messaging as well.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, thanks for the question, Leah. I think we look at the business. What's important right now is we run a basket savings gap of something between 15 and 20% with mass and 30 to 40% against conventional players. We're monitoring this, we monitor it regularly and we're going to maintain that spread regardless of the external conditions or as they necessitate.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
You know, we see and hear, you know, whether it's a supply, suppliers, PPI index, inflation, the inflation numbers, fuel and so on. So if this persists, obviously there will be some downstream effects. We feel that with the work we're doing on opportunistic supply, given its profile, the average unit retail of opportunistic product as we work the mix, that we should see a nice benefit for our customers in a period like this.
Leah Jordan (Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs)
Okay, that's helpful. And then maybe follow up separately. I want to on the value messaging and marketing a couple quarters back. Right. It was an issue. You fine tune it here. Maybe we've had some wins around super bowl and Easter, but maybe you could talk about what you're doing around every day, what's resonating, what's not. Where would you stay during that journey of fine tuning the message and what really still needs to be done at this point.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, no, thanks for the question. We've had very good success on a broad basis with awareness based marketing. Our outdoor work as well as social search has been very effective. And for our iOS they've been very effective in telling stories related to opportunistic product and sharing basket comparisons. So we think that those elements have resonated.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
We've done a bit of work on that and we can see that our value scores are improving with customers related to the communication support that we thought was important to deliver and continue to deliver.
OPERATOR
Okay, thank you. The next question is from Joe Feldman from Telse Advisory Group. Please go ahead.
Joe Feldman (Equity Analyst at Telsey Advisory Group)
Thanks for taking the question, guys. I wanted to go back to the version. I guess I'm curious as to. You're getting much better traffic, which is terrific and it seems like people are seeing the better value. But why wasn't the ticket stronger? Like people just don't have enough cash in their pockets or you know, what are prices not low enough so they're still not putting in enough items? I mean, what is. It just doesn't.
Joe Feldman (Equity Analyst at Telsey Advisory Group)
Something doesn't compute for me. I guess on the conversion side.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, no, we're pleased with the traffic improvement. Converting those trials into loyalty takes time. We think that working our value messaging and being consistent in that experience for customers, as well as working in the customer experience in store, all of those things will contribute to more loyalty, affinity and larger baskets. And so it's, you know, we wish it would happen a little faster, but that's generally, in my experience, what it takes. And that consistency of approach is something that we're very committed to. Yeah.
Joe Feldman (Equity Analyst at Telsey Advisory Group)
And so I guess maybe we'll ask some more offline about it, but I guess on the comp for the quarter, did that exclude the 27 stores that you closed already? Presumably it did. Like, is that an accurate statement?
Chris Miller (Chief Financial Officer)
Yes, that's correct.
OPERATOR
Okay, I just want to confirm that. Thanks. Yeah, I know we have another call later, so ask some more. Thanks. Absolutely. Thank you for the questions. The next question is from Oliver Chen from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.
Oliver Chen (Equity Analyst at TD Cowan)
Hi, Jason and Chris. Regarding the baskets and opportunistic opportunity going forward, which parts of opportunistic have the most opportunity to impact that basket? If you thought about categories or is it overall? And then you mentioned the annual business review process. We just love some insights into that and how that will manifest with the independent operators and things they can do or what opportunity you see when you implement that. And third question is, as you engage in the store closures. How is it helping perhaps inform your store openings and what you're thinking about in terms of prudent site selection? Thank you.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Okay, thanks Oliver. On the first question on op, it is a cross broad based approach that's always required. We've made progress across certain categories and less on others. But overall feel good about where we are with shipments and inventory range and how that's showing up in sales and we can see the relationship there that drives comps. So feeling good there wouldn't call out any one specific thing, but it always needs to be a broad base of categories for the customer. The second question you had was around the annual review process that we've implemented now with our operators. This is a two pronged piece which is creating reporting and visibility for our operators so they can see where they are on a relative basis to their peer group. Peer groups include things like relative sales location or state, like customer profiles and so on. And the reporting that we're providing puts them in that group where they can see things like shrink dashboard. It can show them specific SKUs where they may be out of pocket on. Our operators are really excited about having this information. It's something they've been asking for and we've been at this stage just able to turn that on. And so we can see that it creates a lot of engagement, it's easy to understand and it's allowing them to take immediate action and make improvements in their business. And we think that, you know, that's just good retail practice and they're excited about it and we're excited to see how that's going to translate for our business over time. The second part of that is in operations in particular, when our folks are visiting stores, they're also judged on their support for the operators on that front. So they're coming to the stores with that information and assisting our operators, helping to activate those opportunities throughout the business. And I think the third question was on, specifically on real estate. Obviously we want to make sure that we're not picking challenged locations, being disciplined about location selection, making sure that we're building quality long term earnings for the company is essential. And you know, we want to pick locations that have higher potential for volume, that are easier to for egress, ingress, you know, neighborhoods that make sense for our business. And the return selection criteria includes higher hurdle rates for returns. I think 26 is over 25 and 27. We're working hard to, you know, push that number closer to 30. We've clustered openings and we're Shifting our mix to more core markets as we, you know, work that part of the decision tree to make sure that this business can get back to a 6% EBITDA margin over time.
Oliver Chen (Equity Analyst at TD Cowan)
Okay, thanks, Jason. A follow up on opportunistic is so important and the people behind that infrastructure and the buyers are working hard day to day or hour to hour. But what's happening with the people side of the opportunistic talent that you have now? And any thoughts there? And as you with the new cmo, was this something you always thought the organization needed? Just would love your context on timing and how this interplays with what's happening now versus when you had first started.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, no, I've learned a lot in the first year being here. Clearly opportunistic and value for us go hand in hand. It's a big chunk of the value equation for this, making sure that our stores resonate with customers on the affordability front. At the same time, it's important to recognize the customer experience. Things like quality, wait times, flow of stores, ease of shop, those kinds of things are also critical. So having a clear focus on making sure that we deliver value for customers with OP is our number one and focused priority for the whole company. Clearly merchandising is an important component and something that we will weave in over time. But for everyone involved, including our new cmo, opportunistic supply and everything we're doing there is what that team is wholly focused on.
Oliver Chen (Equity Analyst at TD Cowan)
Thank you. Best regards. Thank you.
OPERATOR
The next question is from Bill Kirk from Roth Partners. Please go ahead.
Bill Kirk (Equity Analyst at Roth Partners)
Hey, good evening everybody. I wanted to go and keep going on Joe's second question. I imagine the closures would include some stores that were comping worse than reported results. So could you give us a sense for what the closed stores as a group had been comping before they exited the comp base? And then do you think any of their traffic those closed stores into your other locations?
Chris Miller (Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah, I would just say that it's really not material. The impact of the store closures on our overall comp and from a cannibalization or just other shifting to other stores that's also not not material.
Bill Kirk (Equity Analyst at Roth Partners)
Okay, easy. Are you able to tell in the transaction growth if it's coming from new customers into the stores or could it be existing customers that are splitting their trips? And if the traffic is new customers, are there any notable traits among those new shoppers? Can you tell if they are completely new or if there are lapsed folks who are returning to your stores?
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
It's a mix of new customers and existing. So some of what we did obviously drove frequency, and there's been some comments about basket. We didn't see as much basket translation into higher upt, but clearly the frequency piece is there and the new customer piece is there. I don't have any other further insight for you on specific customer kind of segmentation, but we do see and know that it's a mix.
Bill Kirk (Equity Analyst at Roth Partners)
Okay, thank you, Jason. I'll pass it along. Thank you.
OPERATOR
There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Jason Potter for closing comments.
Jason Potter (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Well, again, thank you very much for your interest. We appreciate all the questions and look forward to your engagement with some of you a little later on today. Thank you very much for your time.
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