Mama's Creations (NASDAQ:MAMA) released second-quarter financial results and hosted an earnings call on Thursday. Read the complete transcript below.
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Summary
Mama's Creations reported a 55% increase in revenue to $54.6 million and a 69% rise in Adjusted EBITDA to $5.5 million for Q2 fiscal 2027.
The acquisition of Bayshore has significantly bolstered capacity, contributing to the company's growth and improved operational efficiencies.
The company successfully raised over $100 million, ending the quarter with $138 million in cash, positioning it well for potential M&A activities.
Strategic initiatives included the launch of new products in major retailers like Kroger and expanding marketing efforts that increased sales impressions by 90 million.
Gross margin improved sequentially to 24%, with a focus on increasing efficiencies and managing costs across facilities.
New operational highlights include expanding storage capacity and enhancing employee facilities at the East Rutherford site.
CEO Adam Michaels emphasized the company's strategic alignment with consumer trends and its readiness to capitalize on market opportunities.
The company is optimistic about achieving its mid to high 20% gross margin target as new product lines stabilize.
The sentiment towards the company's future growth remains positive, with plans for further expansion into major retailers and potential acquisitions.
Full Transcript
Luke, Operator
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Mama's Creations second quarter fiscal 2027 earnings conference call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be open for questions. This conference is being recorded today, Thursday, September 3, 2026, and the earnings press release accompanying this conference call was issued after the market closed today.
On our call today is Mama's Creations Chairman and CEO Adam L. Michaels and CFO Anthony Gruber. Before we get started, I'd like to note that some of the statements on this call will be forward-looking statements that reflect management's current expectations about future operating and financial results. Although management believes their expectations and assumptions are reasonable, they remain subject to significant risks and uncertainties and actual results for future periods may differ materially from what is stated or implied during today's call.
For more information, please refer to the Forward-Looking Statements section in today's press release and the risk factors disclosed in the company's most recent Form 10-K and any subsequent reports it files with the SEC. Please also note that today's call will include a discussion of Adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. Important information, including required disclosures containing a reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measure, is also detailed in today's press release.
At this time I'd like to turn the call over to Chairman and CEO Adam Michaels. Adam, the floor is yours.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Luke, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. I'd like to welcome you to our second quarter fiscal '27 financial results conference call. The second quarter was another step-change quarter for Mama's thanks to the creativity of our sales team, the resilience of our operations team, and the increased capacity from the acquisition of Bayshore. We grew revenue 55% to $54.6 million and expanded Adjusted EBITDA 69% to $5.5 million. Though the real story of this quarter is not the impressive growth rate, but the shape of it.
Every single bottom-line metric grew faster than revenue. Income from operations, Adjusted EBITDA and net income which more than doubled; overheads did not grow with the business. It shrank as a share of it, and gross margin turned back up sequentially as the items we launched in Q1 settled into steady-state production. With room still to run, Anthony will take you through the detail. But what I want you to hear is a sequence, because it is exactly the one we laid out three months ago: invest into the launch, then harvest the leverage.
And this team delivered without skipping even a beat on new distribution gains. Looking forward to potential future M&A, we also fundamentally changed the kind of transaction this company is capable of pursuing. Following our recent offering, we closed the quarter with over $138 million cash war chest and virtually no debt, supported by the strong operating cash flow the business generated on its own. Until now, the size of the opportunity we could chase was largely set by the size of our balance sheet.
The dynamics have changed. We can pursue accretive M&A that brings incremental capabilities, capacity or customer access into the platform, and we can do it from a position of strength. As always, regardless of the size of our increasing war chest, we will remain as steadfast and disciplined in our approach as we did when we started this journey four years ago. Before we get into the quarter itself, let me spend a moment on the macro trends, because it keeps getting better.
One of the earliest lessons I picked up in my career is that catching an existing current is far easier and far cheaper than trying to manufacture one of your own. In June, McKinsey published research naming the shift from restaurant to ready-to-eat grocery meals as one of the top themes reshaping the entire grocery industry. And I mean right up there with e-commerce, retail media and even AI. Roughly one in four consumers now buy grocery prepared food specifically as a substitute for ordering from a restaurant, most often replacing quick service and fast casual occasions.
And here's a line I keep coming back to: prepared foods, by far the leading driver of trip frequency across every single section of the store. Not one of the drivers, the leading driver. Which means that the strategic alignment we have with our retail customers is getting deeper and our value to their business is only getting stronger. If that's not enough, GLP-1s are only accelerating it. Consumers are walking past the packaged snack aisle and reaching for a high protein meal instead.
We continue to be in the right place at the right time with the right product portfolio and now finally with the balance sheet to capture far more than our fair share. And then there is one that made me smile the most when I sent it to Chris and Lauren. The Wall Street Journal and Yelp have both now put a name to a consumer trend called Grandma Core: slow-cooked, simply made family recipes — food that tastes like somebody who loves you made it. Yelp named it a 2026 dining trend. Rubik's Food found that 44% of consumers would rather a brand improve a familiar favorite than chase a trend. Fellow shareholders, we did not pivot into this. Anna Mancini carried her meatballs and sauce recipe through Ellis Island 105 years ago. For most brands, Grandma Core is a marketing stunt. For Mama's, it is our founding principle. So the current is strong and the playbook we run has not shifted one iota.
Cost, controls, culture and catapult — our four Cs — starting with our first C: cost. I'm excited to report that thanks to Skip and his team, we officially opened the new expansion of the East Rutherford, New Jersey facility at the end of last month, nearly doubling frozen and refrigerated storage capacity, which will reduce our outside storage costs as well as increase logistics flexibility. In addition, as our associates come back from their Labor Day break, they'll be coming home to a new break room, locker rooms and training spaces in our signature Mulberry color palette and our values on the wall throughout.
Thanks to Lauren and her team, our New York facilities continue to merge and blur, sharing equipment and people across facilities. Our new Walmart launches and recent Sam's launch would not have been possible without the Bayshore facility and our Bayshore associates. With the added volume of new items across Walmart, Sam's, Albertsons and BJ's, the Bayshore facility continues to steadily improve towards our goal of margins being in line with our East Rutherford and Farmingdale gross margins, as promised.
Finally, continued improvements in below-the-line direct variable costs continue to be captured, as our first half freight, royalties and commissions percentage is below prior year. This allows our operating margins to show up exactly where it should. Operating expenses fell 160 basis points as a percentage of revenue year over year and margins improved sequentially off the first quarter. All of this with plenty of room to grow on gross margins. Specifically, in June we told you that labor and raw material inefficiencies tied to the startup of new packaging technologies and protein form factors were front-loaded investments, not a new normal.
The second quarter was the first proof point. Margin improved sequentially to 24.0% from 23 to 20 while spending more trade in Q2 than in Q1 and spending over a million dollars more in high ROI trade versus prior year. We remain firmly on track with our mid to high 20% corporate gross margin target as those items move fully into steady state. Moving to controls, our second C. I am proud to share that we continue to invest in more data analytics to expand our Power BI efforts and now incorporating AI plugins.
Thanks to Melissa and Lauren, this is providing faster, more granular, connected information, delivering savings in materials, production efficiencies and inventory management. Our singular ERP system allows us to provide more visibility to our teams, real-time performance management and benchmarking across each of our sites. Another great example of our controls is the impactful work that Alberto is doing with his procurement team. Since Alberto has joined, we have completely reimagined our supplier base.
We have consolidated in some places and opened the aperture in others. For example, recent changes with our packaging supplier base avoided a 12% increase in materials. Through vendor diversification and business migration, we've added three new beef suppliers, increasing our quality even further without increasing our costs, sharing the benefit with our customers and end consumers. Another huge benefit Alberto brought to the team is his experience of supply planning.
The enhancements he has brought to Mama's is allowing us to add further safety stock levels to our top 10 items, facilitating absorption-based production, reducing our costs while increasing our customer service levels. Now, if that is not a win-win, I'm not sure what is. I will continue to simply repeat what I said last quarter: in an industry where food safety sits at the top of every conversation, the discipline this team demonstrates across all three facilities is nothing short of remarkable and nothing we ever take for granted.
Our third C: culture. I am ecstatic to share that last month Yoon Lee, our first ever Chief People Officer, joined us. With over 25 years of experience building and leading high-performing organizations, I could not be more excited to partner with Yoon and the rest of the People Operations team to maintain and enhance the same entrepreneurial passion and spirit that got us to where we are today. With Yoon coming on board, we've been able to supercharge our capability building in Q2.
We grew our team and our capabilities by onboarding more than a dozen new operational leaders in functions like food safety and quality assurance, enterprise safety and production management, bringing new capabilities that did not previously exist within the organization and upgrading leadership across critical functions to strengthen the infrastructure required to support continued growth and scale. All of these hires bring energy, experience and renewed engagement throughout our entire organization.
I am so proud to add seats at Mama's dinner table and excited to see what our new family members can do. Another great example of culture is the new innovation lab that Chris and his team have built to wow and excite our customers in only a way Mama can. Appropriately and playfully called Mama's Secret Pantry, this is an experiential space that key partners will be invited to to co-create and collaborate to exceed and excite our consumers. I can't wait to share more about the space and, more importantly, the future wins coming out of this unique experience.
We are not here just to win at the prepared foods game, we are truly redefining it. As Abby keeps reminding me, culture is not a destination. It is a mindset that needs love, attention and reinforcement every single day. And I will say this about the quarter we just had. We raised more than $100 million on the strength of a proven story this team wrote with their own hands. The capital markets did not fund a theory. They funded a successful track record that was written down and codified four years ago by our over 600 associates, and for that I am truly thankful.
Our fourth and final C: catapult. This is where the quarter really showed itself. I am honored to announce that next month we officially launch for the first time in banner Kroger. We will start in the Louisville division in over 100 stores with four items, three of which are Chicken Bottoms SKUs. I cannot express how impressed I am with Chris and the sales team. We set an audacious goal literally three months into Chris's tenure to get into the top three food retailers in the country and Chris and his team delivered ahead of schedule. The board and leadership team keep setting up the pins and Chris and his sales team keep knocking them down.
Congrats to the entire team. If that's not enough, we recently heard from Costco that we have been confirmed for a second half multi-vendor mailer, MVM, their most productive promotion nationwide across all eight regions. To me this is much bigger than just more revenue, which is forecasted to be ahead of prior year, but rather a testament and reinforcement of the terrific partnership Scott has built over the past four years. As a reminder, Scott has taken this business from about half a million dollars four years ago to over $25 million last year.
Now that is a partnership, and having all eight regions eagerly sign up tells me that Anna Mancini's recipe is doing just fine west of the Mississippi. But I hope I don't make it seem that there's only one or two customers. In Q2 and upcoming in Q3 we have new placements launching in over a dozen new customers, new and existing. Over a dozen new placements launched in Q2 with more than 60% using Chicken Bottoms, and coming up in Q3 over two dozen new placements have already been approved.
That is the one-stop shop model at work. In Q2 we scaled our marketing efforts while putting our most comprehensive launch support yet behind new distribution across our retail media platforms. Attributed sales increased nearly 30% versus Q1 while delivering nearly 90 million impressions. Walmart continues to be a standout as we increased our investment behind our expanded assortment. Attributed sales were up more than 50% from Q1 while still generating a very healthy double-digit return on ad spend.
What excites me most is that we're building a repeatable playbook around our launches. For our seven new Walmart items and our Target Beef Meatball launch, the team surrounded the distribution with ratings and reviews, PR, retail media, social and influencer support. We generated more than 2.6 million potential impressions through earned media, collecting 225 product reviews to help build trust and conversion and activating 50 micro-influencers. We also had our biggest presence ever at IDDBA this year with our largest booth to date and a strong presence across the show floor.
We had the opportunity to engage with nearly all of our major customers not only around the breadth of what we could offer them today, but where we are going next. And for the first time we shared early stage innovation concepts with customers, giving us the opportunity to bring their input into our innovation pipeline before those ideas ever reached the shelf. And finally, the team isn't limiting marketing to consumer activation. We tested strategically placed outdoor media in key markets in Q2 to excite our existing customers as well as some prospective holdout customers.
If you think FOMO is only afflicting Gregory and Alexander, you have not met the EVPs of some of our customers. Looking to the balance of fiscal 2027, our priorities are unchanged: ramp the new branded introductions across Walmart and Target, keep executing against our goal of net 2 SKUs in each of our top 10 accounts, pull efficiency, margin and absorption through the three-plant network as recent launches reach steady state. And now with over $138 million of cash on the balance sheet, put capital to work behind capacity and accretive M&A. Looking forward, the company I see in front of me bears very little resemblance to the one we ran even 12 months ago. Three plants, a broader and still expanding customer roster, a balance sheet with real firepower, and a team that has demonstrated in practice, not in theory, that it can integrate acquisitions and execute with excellence across the plan. Our line of sight to $1 billion in revenue has never been sharper and I am convinced in our ability to compound profitable growth well into the future.
I'd now like to turn the call over to Anthony Gruber, our Chief Financial Officer, to walk through some key financial details from the second quarter.
Anthony Gruber, Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Adam. Moving to the financial results, revenue for the second quarter of fiscal 2027 increased 55% to $54.6 million as compared to $35.2 million in the same year-ago quarter. The increase was primarily due to the ramp of the new branded items we launched with major retailers in the first quarter, item expansion at new and existing customers, and the contribution of the Bayshore acquisition. Gross profit increased 49.1% to $13.1 million, or 24% of total revenues, in the second quarter of fiscal 2027 as compared to $8.8 million, or 24.9% of total revenues, in the same year-ago quarter.
Importantly, the prior year did not include Bayshore as it was prior to the acquisition. Gross margin improved sequentially from 23.6% in the first quarter. As the new packaging technologies and protein form factors deployed to support our quarter one launches move towards steady-state production, we remain on track toward our mid- to high-20% corporate gross margin. Total operating expenses totaled $10.1 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2027 as compared to $7.1 million in the same year-ago quarter.
As a percentage of revenue, operating expenses declined 160 basis points to 18.5% from 20.1% in the prior-year quarter, demonstrating the improved operating leverage in our model as we scale. The change in absolute dollars was primarily attributable to the Bayshore acquisition. Net income for the second quarter of fiscal 2027 increased 100.9% to $2.6 million, or $0.06 per diluted share, as compared to net income of $1.3 million, or $0.03 per diluted share, in the same year-ago quarter.
Second quarter net income totaled 4.7% of revenue as compared to 3.6% in the same year-ago quarter. Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure, increased 68.9% to $5.5 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2027 compared to $3.3 million in the same year-ago quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded to 10.1% of revenue from 9.3% a year ago. Turning to the balance sheet, cash and cash equivalents as of July 31, 2026 totaled $138.6 million as compared to $20 million as of January 31, 2026.
The increase was primarily driven by $108.6 million of net proceeds from our July common stock offering, together with $11.9 million of cash provided by operating activities during the first six months of the fiscal year. As of July 31, 2026, total debt stood at $4.8 million. This balance sheet, combined with our credit facilities and strong cash flow generation, positions us well to pursue the organic and inorganic growth opportunities that Adam described.
This completes my prepared comments. Now, before we begin our question and answer session, I'd like to turn the call back to Adam for some closing remarks. Adam?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Anthony. As I turn the page to the balance of fiscal 2027, our priorities are consistent. First, we will continue to optimize the integrated three-facility network, pulling efficiency, margin and capacity utilization forward. Second, we will press the accelerator on retail distribution, leaning into the Walmart, Target and now Kroger ramps, while continuing to deepen our partnerships in the Club channel with our upcoming Costco MVM as well as the new Sam's Club and BJ's launches.
And third, we will deploy the balance sheet we built to selectively pursue accretive acquisitions that bring incremental capabilities, capacity or customer access into the platform. The $40 billion deli prepared foods category is large, still expanding and remains highly fragmented. The consumer trends—fresher formats, higher quality protein, value-oriented meal solutions, and now a genuine cultural pull towards the food our grandmothers made—continue to break into our direction.
Retailers, in turn, want a partner who can simplify the deli prepared meal space, deliver consistently at national scale and bring real innovation to the case. This is precisely the role Mama's Creations is built to play, and our long-term vision of becoming the leading national one-stop shop deli solutions provider has never felt more within reach. To our team across all three facilities, thank you for the energy, the ownership and the relentless execution.
And to our shareholders, including the many of you who joined us in July, thank you for your continued trust in our team. I have never been more convinced that the most exciting chapter of Mama's Creations is the one in front of us. With that, operator. Let's open the line for questions.
Luke, Operator
Thank you. And at this time we'll conduct our question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions.
And your first question comes from John Anderson with William Blair. Please state your question.
John Anderson, Analyst at William Blair
Yeah, good afternoon everybody. Thanks for the questions. I thought I'd start with, I guess, your announcement of achieving distribution with, I guess, kind of the third strategic account you were targeting. Kroger. Could you talk about how you kind of got there with the relationship, what the initial launch looks like, and how you're thinking about maybe the roadmap to building the relationship over time?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, thanks, John. Look, as always, you know, a tremendous team effort. Chris, you know, has great long-term relationships with Kroger. Well before him joining Mama's, we speak often about having relationships at the top and then equally at the buyer level is another thing. And then it's another good example of actually some of the work that Lauren and Chris did, partnered together on from a marketing perspective. We did some creative marketing around the Cincinnati area and it worked out.
And again, we've had some conversations. Chris has been talking that for some time. This is the type of stuff Mama likes. Right. Let's start smaller. Let's start in one division. Let's start strong with the items that are great. Our strong meatball items and chicken items we know that have strong velocities and then slowly slow and grow. So very excited. Again, you start small and you build out. And, you know, I think Kroger has maybe 13 banners.
Kroger has about, let's call it about 1,300 locations. You know, start with 10% of the business and then work your way up. So really happy, really appreciative of all the work that Chris and the team have done to get here. And again, I think this is something that's really important. And it's been the past four years here at Mama's. We tell you what we're going to do and we do it. We started three years ago, we said we'd get in one a year. Two years ago we did Walmart, last year with Target and now with Kroger—again, slow and steady.
So, yes, very proud of the whole team.
UNKNOWN Analyst
Yeah, congratulations on that. Kind of sticking with important customers as well. For a minute, I wanted to ask about the MVM with Costco in the second half. Is that because that's a new kind of new disclosure? How recently did that kind of come together? And can you size it for us? Like you talked about how that relationship has become a $25 million relationship as of last year. Based on the plans that you now have in place for the current year, how does this affect maybe the second half outlook in the Plasco business, in aggregate?
Do we grow it this year, in other words? And what is it? What are any margin considerations that we should take into account as a result of this as well? Thanks.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, absolutely. Again, another great team effort and, just as much—and we all say it as a leadership team—just as much of the great sales work Scott, in this case, has been able to do, you can't do anything without operations, and Skip and his whole team making sure that we can actually deliver and exceed expectations is just as important as getting it in. Yep, we are speaking to the Costco team, if not every— not every day, certainly every week.
There's constantly rotations that I guess we don't even share all the time because it's constantly happening. You know, the MVM—I don't know if it's technically started yet—but we're in four of the regions right now and we're not even talking about it, so great relationship. Yes. We were voted in, as you know. Well, there's eight regions—eight regions have to vote on it. And we got voted in for all eight regions. I think we're probably in about four regions as we speak.
And by next month, we'll be in all eight regions. I did share that this rotation is forecasted, planned to be bigger than last year, which is great. We'll have to see how things go and how the velocities keep moving. Another thing, you know, about us is, you know, we keep to our margin profiles, and what's really important—and what's, again, another thing that's just wonderful about the Costco partnership—is it's not something that, you know, I know some companies will sell at a loss to get into Costco.
That is not us whatsoever. As everybody knows, this is a great win for Costco's end consumers. Great for Costco. Velocities keep moving higher and higher. And that's why you're seeing the repeat of the MVM and more and more rotations. So it's a great testament to Scott, the whole team, both sales and operations.
UNKNOWN Analyst
Great. One more. I'll get in the queue. You know, it feels like—at least relative to, I guess, our estimates, for what that's worth—that, you know, maybe there was a little bit more OPEX leverage in the model this quarter, a little less on the gross margin line. Are there some decisions, planned decisions that you're making there around how you're investing—maybe moving some marketing dollars into trade based on the desire to support some of the branded launches—or am I overreading that, that we're still kind of progressing as planned?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
No. You are a very good reader, musician and reader all at once. So impressive. No, you're absolutely right. So let's be very specific. We very intentionally moved about half a million dollars—that's a full point of margin—out of marketing into trade because we were seeing higher effectiveness and great returns again, as you're seeing. So you're absolutely right. I could have easily increased gross margin a full point, legitimately. Right. Half a million dollars—a little more than half a million dollars—is about a point of gross margin.
Our goal is long term. I know this team and this team knows we have to deliver every 91 days for you guys. But we are building a billion-dollar business, and if that means that we're going to invest a little more this quarter, I'll give you another number: we spent more than a million dollars—that's two points of margin. We spent over a million dollars more in trade this year than we did last year. Again, as long as we see the ROIs—you guys know, what gets measured gets improved—we understand the effectiveness of every promotion that we're doing.
If it does well, we'll do it again. If it doesn't do well, we're not going to do it. But we are spending more on trade—more than a million dollars more than we did last year—because we're seeing the effectiveness, and we will continue to invest behind the business to drive higher velocities, to exceed our customers' expectations, so we could drive more items into the store, like you're seeing. And like my boys say, a little bit of FOMO. And Chris is getting a lot of phone calls from customers saying, hey, why don't we have that item?
And that's a wonderful thing.
UNKNOWN Analyst
I appreciate that. Thanks for all the color. Congratulations and talk soon.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Team effort.
Luke, Operator
Your next question comes from George Kelly with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.
George Kelly, Analyst at Roth Capital Partners
Hey everyone, thanks. Just to start, I think I heard in your prepared remarks that Sam's Club took an additional item. Did I hear that right? And can you detail like what the item was and when it went in?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, again, great, great team effort. Again, this was another great example in partnership with operations. This was a new product for us, a panko chicken that just went in—I think literally, I think this week possibly—so it's probably not even through the whole system yet, but yeah, excited. Breaded chicken breast, as you know full well since you've been with us the whole time. This is a chicken bottom which, you know, is critical for us. But yes, really great example.
I'll give you another thing that's so special about this product—yeah, no, I'll just leave it at great team effort. So, so really happy with it. So yes, new item just came into Sam's and it's going in all stores. Let me get back to you on that. I forgot to ask Chris that question. The orders are quite nice, so I think so. But let me get back to you on that—I'll get it from Chris, exactly how many stores?
George Kelly, Analyst at Roth Capital Partners
Okay, sounds good. And the next question on Walmart—just hoping you could update us on number of stores and how the velocities are progressing and just any kind of update on what you're seeing at Walmart, and maybe if there's products that are working especially well or not working as well, all that would be helpful.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, really happy with how things are going. I think looked at last time and we're now over 2,300 stores. So I think when we first started, I think we said around 2,000. So I think we're now north of 2,300 stores. So definitely getting more stores. Definitely seeing greater velocities. Good or bad, the grilled chicken is just exceptional. And that is always the winner. And we're seeing velocities literally go up every week. It's crazy that we could see this.
You know, there are some items that are not doing as well. You know, I still—you know, I'm supposed to—my wife taught me I'm supposed to love all my children equally. You know, we have a sausage and peppers in the store, we have a meatloaf in the store. You know, Chris and I discussed, you know, we always know that at some point we want to take some items out proactively, actually, and bring in items with higher velocities. Those items tend to, you see, a little lower velocity than our, like, beef meatballs and cheese-stuffed chicken meatballs.
So we definitely see all—actually we have nine items in there—Chris and I—Chris speaks with his team all the time looking at it. And I promise you we are very proactive. It's not going to be Walmart that says, let's take this item out. It's going to be our team that says, hey, Walmart, I'm seeing—I have this better item for you. Why don't I just pop this one in, take this other one out. So we're looking at that every week.
George Kelly, Analyst at Roth Capital Partners
Okay, understood. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you.
Luke, Operator
Your next question comes from Ben Klev with StoneX. Please take your question.
Ben Klev, Analyst at StoneX
All right, thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on a good quarter here. You talked about the flexibility you have with your balance sheet now for M&A, and I'm wondering if you can elaborate on this a little bit. I'm wondering, first of all, the degree to which the kind of smaller opportunities that you had been historically pursuing are just less enticing to you now that you have more flexibility. And then also, can you kind of distinguish between the characteristics of some of the smaller operations that you were looking at versus the more transformative ones, both in terms of the quality of the operations and the multiples that you would have to—
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
That's a lot. Ben, thank you. So, yeah, I think we understand—we've done this a number of times as a team here between The Chef Inspirational, Creative Salads, Crown, and obviously I've done one or two or more before coming here. Integration takes work, takes effort, and, you know, quite honestly, it probably just doesn't make sense to buy a $25 million revenue company anymore. The great news is there's also lots of benefits to that. Right. Because some of the bigger companies have more capabilities.
Remember, for us, it has nothing to do with revenue; it's all about capabilities. It's all about getting new customers. It's all about bringing in great culture with our people. And yeah, what is wonderful about this last raise—and I've shared it—when we did the raise, there were a couple companies that we were looking at that they said, yeah, sure, Adam, this is the grown-up table here. Next time. And by having the raise and everyone sees it, we get a call back.
Actually, I was sort of just joking. I would love to talk to you. So I think it has brought us to a different place, the conversations that we have had. I will tell you, as great as Chris is doing in sales and Skip's doing in operations, and Anthony and Lauren and the whole team, I'm keeping them busy. I took Chris and Skip on a bit of a vacation over the past couple weeks for a couple tours of places. We're getting busy, which is wonderful. It's what we should be doing.
But yeah, it has to be meaningful. It takes a lot of time for us to do the diligence. It takes a lot of time. So it just doesn't make sense to buy—and I'm making up what that number is—but that $25 million company is just too small. We're looking a little bigger. But obviously anyone that knows me knows that, just like how we manage our money, just how we look at multiples, it doesn't matter how much money we have. We are as diligent as we were when we actually had no money—sorry, we had negative $15 million of debt when Anthony and I first started.
Ben Klev, Analyst at StoneX
Very good. That's helpful to hear that perspective. Very good. Well, congratulations again on a great quarter and having a seat at the grown-up table, as you say. Thanks for taking my questions here. I'll get back in queue.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
That's great. And just before the next one—since Chris is an overachiever—George, we're starting with 300 clubs with the Sam's breaded chicken. Thank you, Chris.
Luke, Operator
Thank you. And your next question comes from Ryan Myers with Lake Street Capital. Please go ahead.
Ryan Myers, Analyst at Lake Street Capital
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on another strong quarter. Wondering if you could just talk about what needs to happen in the back half of the year to trend toward that mid to high 20s gross margin target—maybe the kind of high 20s, what you would need to see to get closer to that as we exit the year.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I mean, look, I think, and I like that it's consistent. There's really three things that—and again, I hope we could all agree that 24%, never enough for me. But 24% is mid to high 20s. There's three things that placed us at that 24% this quarter. The first one we mentioned earlier, right. We are investing in trade. We are very intentional to take half a million dollars of marketing and put it into trade. That's a point of margin. The biggest one, which we've been talking about for some time now, is we need to keep selling the bottoms.
Right? I just told you, three of the four items at Kroger are chicken bottoms. The new Sam items—chicken bottoms. I could go on forever. It's a great problem to have. Chris and team are just too good at selling the tops. Right. The portion chicken is just exceptional. And we just need to, as a percentage, just sell more and more of the bottoms. That's going to allow us to trim more. Right. Operationally, we could trim—Skip and team could trim all day long—but we have to sell a higher percentage of the bottoms because we said a day of trimming, right?
If there's five days in a week, a day of trimming is about a point of margin. We're probably still in that one to two days of trimming, which to me says that there's two to three more points we can get. If we could just increase the percentage. Not the absolute money, the absolute. We've added—I think we added more than $10 million of chicken bottom sales versus last year, which is an incredible job. It's the percentage that we need to have and that two to three points.
And then I think the third—I'm so proud of the Bay Shore team. We are moving really nicely, probably ahead of where Anthony and I had planned. I love what the Bay Shore team's doing. There's still probably—I'll make up a number—roughly a point of margin there to get that up to the corporate average. So right then and there, that's what, four to five points, right? One, two to three, and one. So that's four to five points. That says that we're 28, 29%.
We need nothing special, we need nothing. We don't have to cure any major diseases. These are block and tackling things that if we can do right, we're absolutely there to do it. So hopefully that adds some color as to how the leadership team thinks about and makes trade-offs. Right. So the trade—we make trade-offs. You know, one thing that's great that Chris is doing now and makes you feel good that we could continue to trim, we can continue to sell more of the bottoms, is we actually accidentally forget to bring the portion chicken when Chris pitches it.
Right. When we have tastings and cuttings, we accidentally forget the portions. Everyone knows about it. Literally Chris sells stuff sight unseen. That's how amazing that is. But we are trying to do things. Another thing that Chris and team do is if you want the portion chicken, you have to at least buy chicken strips, or you have to buy chicken meatballs, or you have to buy MFOs with chicken, or you have to buy the shredded chicken. Again, we have a great—you know, Lauren helps lead our MPD process.
We have tons of chicken bottom items. That's another great thing that Chris and team do to increase the likelihood that we could continue to increase the chicken bottom percentages.
Ryan Myers, Analyst at Lake Street Capital
Got it. That's helpful. And then just lastly, you know, as we think about the momentum across the business and the new placements you're expecting in Q3, how should we think about the growth rate in the third quarter and the fourth quarter? Obviously we're now lapping the Crown acquisition for the first time in a couple of quarters. So, you know, any commentary you can give us on how you're thinking about revenue growth. I mean, I know you've talked in the past that you're comfortable with double digits.
Does that still apply? Just any commentary would be helpful.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I'm not going to move off that. And again, I think we're—I don't know—I think 17 for 17 on overdelivering our revenue targets. But look, double digit. I hope you guys see from whether the Kroger stuff, whether the Sam stuff, actually just all the stuff that we already have—you know, Walmart is still... We're not even in our first full year of all the Walmart items. I hope everyone feels—and we feel internally—this makes us very confident that we could achieve that double-digit growth.
And what's important, more important than any revenue growth, is profitable growth. And you guys know that about me as well. So, you know, we're still doing cleaning of our portfolio. There's still more stuff within possibly the Bay Shore portfolio. But every day, every quarter, this is something that Chris and Skip look at to drive more efficiency in our processes. And if that means losing a little bit of less profitable revenue so we could have a more profitable business, we hold hands together and we make the right decision.
So it's profitable growth, increasingly profitable growth. That is the important question and the important thing that we focus on.
Ryan Myers, Analyst at Lake Street Capital
Got it. That's great to hear, and congrats on the continued progress, and thanks for taking my questions.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Ryan.
Luke, Operator
Your next question comes from Eric Delauriere with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Please state your question.
Eric Delauriere, Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on another strong quarter here and all the continued momentum on these product wins. My first question here is kind of going back to the gross margin outlook. Obviously chicken bottoms are a big driver of that. You mentioned 60% of the Q2 product placements use chicken bottoms. How should we think about the mix of these two dozen new product placements for Q3? How should we think about the mix of chicken bottoms for those?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
So again, what's wonderful is much of it is the chicken bottoms. It's something we focus on. I shared the Q2 numbers. We have to see how Q3 goes. It's also the volume. So one thing that I will—not that we get challenged, but we have to see how it does. It's up to the end consumer. Right. So Chris and team make sure that we are selling more bottom items in than top items. Right. That we know. What we don't know is the velocity of those items and which one's going to sell more than the others.
What has been happening—and again, such a horrible problem that I believe every publicly traded company wants—every company wants the portion chicken. Even though that's one versus the four bottom items, the velocities of that portion chicken item just move at a lot faster pace. And that's where we run into the quote-unquote challenge of the chicken bottom percentages not growing as fast as the portion. So we are doing our job. We are—like I just mentioned—we don't sell in a top if the bottom doesn't come with it.
But we have to see how the items land from a velocity perspective. I'm optimistic. I feel good. Obviously the leadership team, we know all the items that we're getting in. I'm optimistic that we could continue to increase the percentage of the bottoms, which will lead to, again—if I could just get one more percent, right, one more day of trimming—that gives me one more gross margin percent, which obviously would be really helpful. Another point—I know, because Bay Shore keeps getting better—I think we're going to be in exactly the position we expected to be a year ago.
I think we're going to get one more at Bay Shore. So now that 24 is 25 and 26, and we feel good that just like we sequentially improved versus last quarter, I feel good that we will sequentially improve in Q3 versus Q2.
Eric Delauriere, Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group
That's all very helpful. Color. I appreciate that. On Costco—congrats here, sounds like quite the win. So you mentioned you expect it to be larger from a revenue perspective year over year. You also mentioned that it's already started, at least in some of the regions, if I recall. I think last year's was just around the holiday season, so a bit shorter here. Can you just comment on maybe the scope of this MVM compared to what you had last year—whether that's number of weeks or number of items?
Just any additional color there would be great. Thanks.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, it's going to be roughly the same time. Actually, I think it's a little long. I don't remember starting this early last time. And the other thing that's really important—and I do, I want everyone to be proud of the MVM. I want everyone to be excited. I think the MVM is going to be actually at the same time as last year—the last two weeks of December, the beginning of January. I know everyone likes to see it in the print mailer. You're going to see that—what I see.
But what's important is the business is so integrated now. There's—like I just told you—we're doing rotations before the MVM even starts. So I feel really good. Again, we mentioned from an MVM perspective, the order—the intention from Costco is that this is actually going to be bigger. Right. We're already getting orders in. It is going to be bigger than last year. I think it's going to be a little longer. Right. I don't remember it starting this early last year.
But what's really important is this is continuing to strengthen the relationship. It stays in longer. Right. That's what—if you remember what happened last time, the quote-unquote MVM was supposed to end in January, and some regions, quote-unquote, forgot, and they just kept buying into February. That's what we're looking to do, just like we spoke about last time. So we are an everyday item now in the Northeast. It doesn't come out. The MVM will—because of the promotion—there definitely will be more volume, but we're there every day.
Same thing with the San Diego region—trying to make my parents happy. It's already in the Southeast now. So that's what's really important for it.
Eric Delauriere, Analyst at Craig-Hallum Capital Group
Certainly encouraging on all fronts on Costco. Thanks for my question. Congrats again.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Luke, Operator
Your next question comes from Matt Curtis with D.A. Davidson. Please state your question.
Matt Curtis, Analyst at D.A. Davidson
Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking the question. I just got a question on Bay Shore. For starters, could you bring us up to speed on where Bay Shore's gross margin stands today relative to the other facilities? And I guess to ask it another way, how much of the original margin gap has been closed at this point?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, so we don't have business P&Ls so much of the stuff. And I think I mentioned earlier, the legacy Walmart stuff we're actually doing in Bay Shore now, and vice versa. Actually, the Shaw's shredded chicken—we're doing the shredded chicken in Bay Shore. So we don't have line item—we run the business as one business. What we're seeing, and why we're feeling confident, is the absorption. So what was really big when we started was the Bay Shore facility was a big facility.
It was twice as large—or it still is twice as large—as our other facilities, and it didn't have the volume. What's been wonderful, thanks to our sales team, is we have filled up the Bay Shore facility with more volume, which is lowering, as you understand, the overheads percentage. The other thing that's happening is the Bay Shore legacy Crown items—thanks to Alberto and the procurement team—we've gotten significant savings on beef and on chicken and on other ingredients.
So the so-what is I believe when I speak to you guys next quarter that we won't see any of that—again, more like the words I said, the blurring. It's going to look one and the same. So directionally, that's how we're able to figure out where the margins are in the legacy facility.
Matt Curtis, Analyst at D.A. Davidson
Okay, got it. So I guess maybe to ask a related question, at this point, how much unused capacity do you still have at Bay Shore after supporting some of the recent launches that you talked about?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
So we certainly still have lots of capacity. We are, you know, we're not working seven days a week in all parts of the facility. We're not working actually 24 hours in all parts of the facility. So there's definitely a lot more room. It's a function of the items that we sell in and what we do with them. So I still feel very good. Look, we're growing, which is great, but I'll stick to what I said last time and nothing's really changed. We could pretty much double our business from last year with the current facilities.
We're in the other one that I don't want to forget and everyone's always welcome to come in. I really love. I got some good pictures for you. We are opening up. I mentioned thanks to Shane and team, we doubled our East Rutherford facility this quarter. So a lot more cold storage, freezer storage, something I'm so proud of. A lot more room for our associates. So we have training rooms now. I'm so excited. Yoon and Abby and team, we're doing trainings.
A much bigger cafeteria, walls of microwaves. So we definitely have a lot more room. What we have to keep doing is using it more efficiently. That is the key. So we just brought in two new Proseal machines. So we have automated again for many folks that have started. If you guys have taken tours with me. In our Farmingdale facility, we used to use pretty much hand sealers to seal. I'll give you an example. Something like the Walmart chicken that we do.
We literally used almost hand sealers. This machine, sorry, let's call it a tabletop machine. We brought this Proseal machine in. It's amazing. Literally. Milton and Lenny, we literally get done what we used to be able to get done for a day. By noon, we have it done. So it's not about the physical space. We have to continue to bring more automation in and use the space we have more efficiently. But I'm not. We have room to grow. I'm not worried about that quite yet.
Okay, great.
UNKNOWN Analyst
Sounds good. Thanks again and congrats on the momentum.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Luke, Operator
Your next question comes from Nick Sherwood with Maxim Group. Please state your question.
Nick Sherwood, Analyst at Maxim Group
Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. So seafood seems like it's a pretty important part of the prepared meals categories. How much of a priority are you putting on adding, you know, seafood capabilities when you're evaluating M&A options? And what do you see as some of the challenges of, you know, kind of integrating a product out of a competition? Very different procurement and production infrastructure.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, great question. And for a guy who likes seafood, I'd like that very much. So there are a couple things we have to do first. What's wonderful, actually, Bayshore used to make seafood products. So they had some of the capabilities and obviously the know-how. It's not that easy in the sense that I'm sure, and I'm speaking out of turn here, but we need different HACCP plans, USDA approvals to get it back. But, you know, first of all, we have plenty of room to run.
Remember, $40 billion category. As great as we're doing with beef and chicken and vegetables, Chris would be the first one to tell you that we still have tons of room to grow. But it's also. Maybe that's an M&A opportunity. Maybe there are special. There's special equipment, there's special handling. There's a company that I'm speaking to now that I know, I've seen they have seafood items. So maybe it's an M&A approach, but it's absolutely something that should make all of our investors feel good that, wow, these guys are doing this well and they're missing an entire segment.
Right. In seafood. And when we are a billion dollars, I have no doubts that there will be a seafood element to it.
Nick Sherwood, Analyst at Maxim Group
Understood. Yeah, I appreciate the detail. And then I noticed that you had expanded placements at Sheetz. Can you kind of talk about how the opportunity and convenience channel has progressed?
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, it's. So actually, I'll tell you so, yes, we got some new stuff in the Sheetz. I think we have some new paninis coming in and some new wraps. But the C-store is still one. And Chris and I speak about it. That's one that I would have said a couple years ago. It would have been easier. We have the right partners. We have distributor partners. We now have the right portfolio of items. We have these paninis are doing exceptionally well. We actually made smaller paninis now, so it's better price point in addition to the ones that we have.
I told you about these wraps. I will still believe the meatballs in a cup solution somehow will come around for us. So we have the right third party partners with distributors, we have the right portfolio. And again, the team will keep trying, but yeah, we're in some places, but there's still a lot of opportunity.
Nick Sherwood, Analyst at Maxim Group
Understood. Well, thank you for answering my questions and I'll return to the queue.
Luke, Operator
Thank you. And at this point, we have no further questions. So I'll hand the floor back to Adam Michaels for closing remarks.
Adam L. Michaels, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, operator. And thank you again to each of you for joining us today. To close the second quarter of fiscal 27 delivered on the promise we made in June. Revenue up 55%, net income up 101%. Adjusted EBITDA up 69%. Operating expenses down 160 basis points. Our first ever win at Kroger, another even bigger Costco MVM and much, much more. All with a balance sheet carrying $138.6 million in cash. This is the output of the 4C's operating system at work.
The macro tailwinds in deli prepared continue. Our three facility network is humming. Our balance sheet is built for accretive M&A and our team is executing with real conviction. The course we have charted towards national deli leadership is set and our commitment to that destination is unwavering. As always, we appreciate our shareholders' continued support and we look forward to updating you on our progress in the quarters ahead. Thank you.
Luke, Operator
Thank you. This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you all for your participation.
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