Evolution Petroleum (AMEX:EPM) reported fourth-quarter financial results on Wednesday. The transcript from the company's fourth-quarter earnings call has been provided below.

This transcript is brought to you by Benzinga APIs. For real-time access to our entire catalog, please visit https://www.benzinga.com/apis/ for a consultation.

View the webcast at https://event.choruscall.com/mediaframe/webcast.html?webcastid=ai980iXu

Summary

Evolution Petroleum reported a strong fiscal Q4 2026 with a 20% sequential increase in revenue and more than doubled adjusted EBITDA, driven by higher oil and NGL prices and improved operating performance.

The company completed a $16 million acquisition in the Permian Midland Basin, adding significant royalty acreage and production, which is expected to boost cash flow without additional capital expenditure.

Fiscal 2026 production averaged 7,077 BOE per day, slightly above the previous year, with the company maintaining a stable reserve base and continuing its commitment to dividends, marking the 52nd consecutive quarterly payment.

Key operational highlights include increased production and reduced costs in SCOOP/STACK, ongoing development in Louisiana, and improved performance at Tex Mex and other legacy assets.

Management remains optimistic about fiscal 2027, with plans to further leverage recent investments and maintain a balanced capital allocation strategy, while anticipating improved natural gas pricing as regional differentials normalize.

Full Transcript

OPERATOR

Good morning and welcome to the Evolution Petroleum Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2026 Earnings Release Conference Call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. Please also note today's event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Brandy Hudson, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Brandy Hudson, Director of Investor Relations

Thank you. Welcome to Evolution Petroleum's fiscal Q4 2026 earnings call. I'm joined today by Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer, Mark Bunch, Chief Operating Officer, and Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. We released our fiscal fourth quarter and full-year 2026 financial results after the market closed yesterday. Please refer to our earnings press release for additional information containing these results.

You can access our earnings release in the Investors section of our website. Please note that any statements and information provided in today's call speak only as of today's date, September 16th, and any time-sensitive information may not be accurate at a later date. Our discussion today will contain forward-looking statements of management's beliefs and assumptions based on currently available information. These forward-looking statements are subject to the risks, assumptions, and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings.

Actual results may differ materially from those expected. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. During today's call, we may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures including adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in our earnings release. Kelly will begin with opening remarks, followed by Mark with an operational update, and then Ryan will review the financial results.

After our prepared comments, the management team will open the call for questions. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. If you wish to listen to a webcast replay of today's call, it will be available on the Investors section of our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Kelly.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Brandy, and good morning, everyone. As we look back at fiscal 2026, I want to put the year into perspective and talk about what we are building at Evolution. Over the past several years, we have deliberately broadened the business across assets, commodities, and operating partners. Those investments are shaping Evolution into a more diversified energy company with multiple complementary engines: our legacy long-life non-operated producing assets, meaningful working interest positions across several proved undeveloped and longer-term opportunities, and our growing mineral and royalty portfolio.

Throughout that process, we have focused on the durability of cash flow and how much capital must go back into the assets to sustain them. Getting that balance right allows us to return cash to shareholders while continuing to invest in the future of the company. Our objective is to build greater value per share from across the entire portfolio. This year we made considerable progress toward that objective. Our minerals and royalty portfolio became a more important part of the business.

We continued investing selectively in our working interest assets, and we maintained our commitment to returning cash to shareholders. We also finished the year with a meaningful improvement in performance in the fourth quarter, providing solid momentum as we enter into fiscal 2027. The fourth quarter deserves particular attention because it demonstrated the recovery that we told you to expect on our last call. Many of the temporary items that weighed on third quarter results rolled off, production increased, and operating costs per barrel improved.

Together with stronger oil and NGL realizations, those improvements drove a 20% sequential increase in revenue and more than doubled adjusted EBITDA. We achieved that recovery even as natural gas pricing remained a headwind. What stands out to me is the portfolio's ability to absorb that pressure, with stronger liquids pricing and improved operations across several properties helping offset that weakness in gas. This resilience reflects the deliberate work we have done to diversify Evolution's sources of production and cash flow.

This quarter also brought the reversal in unrealized hedge losses that we highlighted in May. Ryan will walk through the financial impact, but my broader point from our last call remains the same: higher prices on the production we are selling is a good thing. We hedge a portion of our production to protect cash flow and support our capital commitments while retaining exposure to higher prices on our unhedged volumes. In Q4, our realized oil price before hedge settlements increased 4.49 percent year over year to $90.74 per barrel, while our entirely unhedged NGLs realized $32.49 per barrel, up 27%.

Hedge settlements offset part of the oil price benefit, but our unhedged production allowed us to participate in the stronger market. That is the balance we seek between protecting cash flow and preserving upside for shareholders. Looking at the full year, we dealt with operating interruptions and periods of unfavorable regional pricing, and those challenges affected our financial results. At the same time, average production was 7,077 BOE per day, slightly above 7,074 BOE per day in fiscal 2025, as acquisitions and development activity helped offset natural declines and downtime.

Underpinning that stability is the continued renewal of our asset base. We produced approximately 2.6 million barrels of oil equivalent during the year and ended up with 27.2 million barrels of oil equivalent, proved reserves slightly above where we started. For a company like ours with a strong commitment to issuing dividends, maintaining that reserve base remains an essential part of the job. That brings me to our minerals and royalty strategy and the role we expect it to play in Evolution's next stage of growth.

Subsequent to the end of the fiscal year, we took another step in building our mineral and royalty business with our approximately $16 million acquisition in the core of the Permian Midland Basin. The transaction added approximately 3,420 net royalty acres and over 200 BOE per day of current production across Rail, Reagan, Upton, Glasscock, Midland, and Martin counties in Texas. It increases our exposure to high-margin current production as operators in one of the country's most active basins continue to develop the acreage.

The acquisition also provides capex-free upside to both near-term and long-term field-level production growth. We believe this is the kind of investment that can strengthen Evolution's earning power over time. As operators develop additional wells, we benefit from new production and cash flow without funding the drilling and completion costs ourselves. Building on the positions we established in the SCOOP/STACK and Louisiana during fiscal 2026, the Permian minerals acquisition adds another durable, capital-light source of growth and cash flow generation.

With respect to our working interest assets, we believe they will continue to provide an established production base and opportunities to create value through workovers, production enhancements, and selective development. Alongside those assets, a growing royalty contribution gives us a better balance between cash flow that requires ongoing reinvestment and cash flow that benefits from development funded by others. We believe that combination strengthens our ability to sustain shareholder returns across commodity cycles.

The next step is for the investments we have made to contribute more fully. That will build as operators bring additional wells online in fiscal 2027. We are encouraged by the activity underway in Oklahoma and Louisiana, and we will be watching that progress closely as we move through the year. Mark will provide more details on the development activity across the portfolio. A quick word on how we see the market from here on oil. Our outlook for demand remains steady as she goes, and the fourth quarter showed how stronger prices can benefit our cash generation.

On natural gas, we continue to see a constructive longer-term demand outlook as LNG export capacity expands and power demand grows, including from data centers. The challenge for us has been translating that broader demand picture into prices at the field level, where regional differentials have weighed on realizations. As those differentials normalize, we expect better pricing across our affected gas assets, providing another potential source of improvement in the next few quarters.

As we look forward to fiscal 2027, our capital allocation strategy is unchanged. We will continue to capture the contribution from the investments we have already made, work with our operating partners to maintain reliable base production, and direct additional capital toward opportunities with the most attractive returns. At the same time, we will continue evaluating acquisitions with the same discipline, including how they are financed and what they mean for existing shareholders.

Our dividend remains central to those decisions. The Board's latest declaration maintains the quarterly dividend at $0.12 per share for fiscal Q1 2027 and will mark our 52nd consecutive quarterly payment. Since December 2013, we have returned approximately $151.7 million, or $4.53 per share, to shareholders in common stock dividends. As I have said before, we set the dividend at a level that we believe can be sustained for multiple years. Given our strong outlook and the diversified platform we are building, we enter fiscal 2027 with a broader portfolio and more opportunities to build on that record.

Our focus is now on translating the investments we have made into stronger cash generation while maintaining the balance sheet and capital discipline that underpin long-term value per share. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mark.

Mark Bunch, Chief Operating Officer

Thanks, Kelly. Good morning everyone. I'll focus my remarks on key operational highlights from the quarter and on what we see across the portfolio heading into fiscal 20. I encourage your listeners to review our earnings press release and filings for additional details across our asset base. Overall operating performance improved during the fourth quarter as several of the issues we described in May rolled off as expected and contributions from our recent investments continued to build.

Turning to individual assets, at SCOOP/STACK, which was a clear bright spot for the year, fiscal Q4 production averaged 1,275 boe per day, up approximately 14% from the prior year quarter, while per-unit lease operating costs declined to $10.33 per boe from $11.05. That combination — production up, unit cost down — reflects the growing contribution from our mineral and royalty interests layered on top of the working interest base. Third-party operators remain active around our acreage.

Across our combined SCOOP/STACK portfolio, operators brought online 31 gross wells during fiscal 2026. As of July 31, our interests have grown to 725 gross producing wells, 36 gross proved undeveloped locations are in various stages of drilling and completion, and more than 360 additional gross locations. During the fourth quarter, we also divested non-core, non-producing SCOOP/STACK mineral interests for approximately $3.1 million, enabling us to monetize longer-dated development opportunities while retaining acreage with near-term cash flow potential.

In Louisiana, operator activity across our Haynesville and Bossier positions continues to progress with wells moving through drilling and completion and into production. We continue to add to this position through bolt-on acquisitions and we expect the contribution from these royalty assets to keep building through fiscal 2027 and beyond as operator development activity converts our inventory of locations into producing wells. As of July 31, the portfolio included approximately 90 gross producing wells, 16 wells in various stages of drilling or completion, 35 pre-permitted wells, and over 60 additional gross locations.

At Shabiru, full-year production increased meaningfully, averaging approximately 260 boe per day in fiscal 2026 compared to approximately 175 boe per day in fiscal 2025, reflecting the full-year contribution from wells previously brought online. Fourth quarter production was lower year over year, but this comparison really just reflects the initial flush production from new wells brought online in fiscal Q4 2025. We also completed the rod pump conversion program discussed on our last call, with all seven producing wells converted by June 30.

Looking ahead, we have permits in hand for the next six-well development program and are working with our partner to determine the timing of drilling. At Tex Mex, operating performance began to improve during the fourth quarter as the extensive workover program progressed. The program was not completed until July and we expect production to continue increasing and operating expenses to normalize going forward. The operator continues to identify opportunities to restore and enhance production from the existing well base, and we expect the Tex Mex assets to remain an important and growing contributor to cash flow in fiscal 2027 and beyond.

As those efforts continue across our legacy assets — Delhi, Jonah, Barnett, Williston and Hamilton Dome — the focus remains on maintaining base production, improving operating reliability and pursuing selective workover opportunities rather than deploying significant new developments. Operational issues that affected several of those properties earlier in fiscal 2026 improved as the year advanced. At Jonah, regional gas differentials have improved meaningfully.

That improvement should support better realizations from our West Coast-exposed gas as we move into fiscal 2027. With that, I'll turn it over to Ryan.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Mark, and good morning everyone. As Brandy mentioned earlier, we issued our earnings release yesterday, which contains more information on our results for today. I'd like to go through our fiscal fourth quarter financial highlights. In fiscal Q4, production averaged 6,901 boe per day, up 3% sequentially and down 4% year over year. The lower year-over-year production was due to flush production associated with new wells that came online in Chevron along with natural declines in our other fields.

Total revenues were 24.2 million, up 20% sequentially and 15% year over year. The sequential improvement reflected higher realized oil and NGL prices, increased production and the roll-off of the prior period transportation adjustment at Delhi. Compared to the year-ago quarter average, realized prices before hedge settlement increased 20%, more than offsetting the decline in production. Net income for the quarter was 4.6 million or $0.13 per diluted share compared to a net loss of 8.9 million in fiscal Q3 and net income of 3.4 million or $0.10 per diluted share in the year-ago period.

As Kelly discussed, the quarter included a 5.8 million unrealized gain on derivative contracts compared to a 7.6 million unrealized loss in fiscal Q3. Excluding selected items, adjusted net loss narrowed to 0.6 million from 2.9 million sequentially compared to adjusted net income of 1.1 million a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled sequentially to 6.5 million from 3.1 million, reflecting stronger oil and NGL pricing across the portfolio, the cessation of winter weather impacts, contributions from our recently acquired Louisiana royalties and improved performance at Delhi where production increased and operating costs declined.

Those improvements helped offset continued weakness in natural gas realizations, particularly at Jonah. Compared to the prior-year quarter, adjusted EBITDA declined from 8.6 million primarily due to benefits received in the prior-year period in our Barnett shale asset as a result of a joint venture audit. Lease operating costs increased to 12.8 million compared to 11.4 million in the year-ago quarter. As I just mentioned, the prior-year period included a $1.9 million credit from the operator of our Barnett shale properties related to a joint venture audit.

On a per-unit basis, after adjusting the prior-year period for that credit, LOE was $20.35 per boe compared to $20.25 per boe a year ago. LOE per boe improved approximately 5% sequentially from $21.49 in fiscal Q3. On the hedging front, we have continued to add hedges to comply with our credit facility covenants. Our ongoing goal remains to reduce downside commodity price risk and protect cash flow for our shareholder return strategy while preserving the maximum potential upside.

This strategy can result in realized and unrealized losses on our hedges in some periods but benefit us in other periods and will provide more predictable and stable cash flows over time. Turning to the balance sheet, cash on hand totaled 6.1 million at June 30, up from 2.6 million at March 31. Borrowings under our credit facility remained unchanged during the quarter at 56.5 million, with $0.8 million in letters of credit outstanding and a weighted average interest rate of 6.69%.

Total liquidity at June 30, including cash and available borrowing capacity, was approximately $13.9 million. We generated $6.8 million in operating cash flow during the quarter compared to $3.5 million in fiscal Q3. Capital expenditures were $1.4 million and we invested an additional $1.7 million in mineral acquisitions. We also received approximately 3.1 million from the sale of non-core SCOOP/STACK mineral acreage, as Mark mentioned earlier, and 1 million of net proceeds from shares sold under our at-the-market program.

For the full year, operating cash flow was 23.6 million compared to 33.1 million in fiscal 2025, with the decline primarily reflecting working capital. Subsequent to quarter end, we completed the Permian Midland Basin minerals acquisition using proceeds from our common stock offering and borrowings under the credit facility. Following those transactions, as of August 20th, total liquidity was approximately 19 million. That liquidity includes a temporary increase in our borrowing base from 65 million to 73 million effective through October 20th unless redetermined earlier.

We currently anticipate our fall borrowing base redetermination to occur on or about October 1st. During the quarter, we paid $4.3 million in common stock dividends, bringing total dividend payments for fiscal 2026 to $16.9 million. The Board has declared a quarterly dividend of $0.12 per share for fiscal Q1 2027, payable September 30th to shareholders of record on September 21st, marking our 52nd consecutive quarterly payment. As we move into fiscal 2027, our financial priorities remain focused on maintaining liquidity to execute on our strategic growth plans while managing leverage and deploying capital where we expect attractive returns per share. The improvements in fourth quarter cash generation and the growing contribution from our recent investments support our ability to pursue those opportunities while continuing to return capital to shareholders. I'll now hand it back over to Kelly for closing comments.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Ryan. To sum it up, fiscal 2026 tested our portfolio and the portfolio passed. We navigated operating disruptions and pricing headwinds, held annual production steady, replaced the reserves we produced and maintained our dividend. We also continued investing in the business and delivered much of the fourth quarter recovery that we anticipated. Looking ahead, we have a lot to be excited about. Development across our working interest and royalty positions together with the Permian minerals acquisition gives us opportunities to strengthen cash generation in fiscal 2027.

We've put capital to work and we look forward to seeing those investments begin to fully contribute in the coming year and beyond. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator to begin the Q&A session. Thank you all very much.

OPERATOR

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star and then two. At this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble the roster. The first question will come from Jeff Gramp with Northland Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jeff Gramp, Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Morning, guys. Maybe for Ryan, on the borrowing base increase, can you explain the dynamics there with it being temporary? What necessitated that, given it sounds like you're only a couple of weeks away from getting a more formal redetermination process. Just want to kind of understand the mechanics and process there. Thanks.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. So, Jeff, no, I appreciate it. It was, honestly, it was part of our liquidity plan for the acquisition too. I mean, obviously we wanted to do the deal. We wanted to have flexibility, ability to fund it either way. MidFirst was able to look at the borrowing base and give us an additional amount for the interim period until they actually redetermined the entire borrowing base. So it was really just to provide us additional liquidity and flexibility, really for the acquisition, because that increase was tied to kind of the amount of the acquisition.

Jeff Gramp, Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

Gotcha. Okay, that's super helpful. And then for my follow up, just, I guess, kind of bigger picture across the asset base given obviously the oil market changes week to week. But any signs of increased activity across the asset base as a result of the price appreciation? I mean, it looks like you guys have some permits or maybe considering with the operator at Chaveroo and new drills. Is that an area that could see some increased capital allocation in the upcoming fiscal year or any other areas worth noting across the asset base would be interesting.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Jeff. Yeah, this is Kelly. So I'll let Ryan speak to a couple of areas, but with Chaveroo, I'll say that we are very much interested in moving forward with drilling, and we're just working with the operator on timing for those. So more news to come on that as we get further down the line with timing.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yes. And then on the Permian minerals, we obviously are watching it pretty closely. I think we said maybe seven rigs were running the last time. That's actually ticked up one to eight rigs running right now. And we've seen kind of steady permitting activity among the bigger operators. Obviously, Exxon, as we mentioned, being the largest, they're continuing to add permits and they're running about five rigs right now throughout our acreage. Double Eagle has been drilling pretty actively here recently.

And actually in the last, call it, two or three weeks, we saw Apache file, you know, probably about a dozen permits in Upton County. So hopefully they'll get working on that piece, too. So obviously the activity level we've been pleased with. And then to follow up on the Haynesville, we continue to see some nice activity there as well, and we converting wells into PDP there.

Jeff Gramp, Analyst at Northland Capital Markets

All right. Appreciate the overview and the update. Thanks, guys. I'll pop back in queue.

OPERATOR

The next question will come from Nicholas Pope with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.

Nicholas Pope, Analyst at Roth Capital

Good morning, everyone.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning. Hey, Nick,

Nicholas Pope, Analyst at Roth Capital

going to have a good segue from the last question. You were just talking about Haynesville. You know, you've seen some of these smaller acquisitions of the royalty side that you've done here over the last year. Curious what the opportunity set might look like. What that. Maybe even broader than that, too. Like looking at what the potential kind of ground game type leasing and purchasing of minerals y' all been doing, what that landscape looks like.

What you all think about the opportunity set right now?

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, perfect, Nick. We still think, again, this is. These are neat deals, they're interesting, and they are deals that are not marketed, right. They're sort of scrapped together from the ground up. And we're still seeing opportunities there. We're excited about the prospects of those going forward. Now, are you going to have some beautifully polished, you know, large, chunky thing maybe? But those tend to get sort of competed over and bid for and all that.

And if we can find one like we did in the Permian, where it's really just negotiated transaction where all parties are happy, then absolutely, we'd be interested in that. But for now, the sort of onesies and twosies that we're picking up and we're seeing convert sort of frankly ahead of our schedule when we got them. We do think there's opportunities to keep going there and we're excited about continuing to work with our partners on finding more of those.

And then. Sorry, Nick, just one more thing. I neglected to mention the SCOOP/STACK. Listen, the activity in that part of the world is up. I mean, I think it's about eight years, excuse me, eight more rigs year over year this year versus last year. And so we're seeing some nice activity there. We're having our minerals and royalties there start to convert into more wells being drilled and we're excited about some of the opportunities we're seeing on the working nature side there as well.

Nicholas Pope, Analyst at Roth Capital

That's great. Kelly, I'm curious, I mean it seems like there's a fair amount of bigger activity operator changes in the mid con. I mean are you all seeing that on the operator side like changing hands and I guess how might that affect kind of the viewpoint if some of these assets change hands in bigger transactions?

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

So we have seen, this is Kelly again, we have definitely seen some consolidation and just, I don't know, sort of anecdotally if you buy a new toy you kind of want to play with it, right? So these guys that are taking over assets have some really good locations to drill and we're starting to see some activity there. Mark?

Mark Bunch, Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, we've had, you know we've had a lot of activity up there with across all the operators. It's, you know, so we're expecting like at higher prices that it's even going to, it's going to get better. I mean they'll just shift into more the oily area, the window on the SCOOP/STACKs and bigger companies with bigger balance sheets. We certainly aren't complaining about that. More of a chance to put capital to work and like I said those are small. Right? 2 to 4% working interest kind of stuff fits very well within our capex plans. And then obviously the mineral side, please drill away.

Nicholas Pope, Analyst at Roth Capital

Got it. And I know you are having like really given guidance and I know it's a difficult thing looking at kind of with the non op acreage and royalties. But as you look at capex any idea where things might be heading kind of on a run rate basis? Right now it seems like things have been very moderate in terms of capex spend the last several quarters last year. I'm curious if you'll have any visibility on what that might look like over the next year.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

I mean so you know we put out our budget, Nick, kind of, you know another kind of 4 to 6 million is what we put kind of for our fiscal 27 now. You know we'll say that, you know that doesn't yet include any capex potential in Chaveroo as Kelly mentioned we're kind of working with Pedevco there to figure out the timing on that. So the budget could change. We have assumed, you know some activity in SCOOP/STACK with that, with that 4 to 6 million but it could certainly accelerate more than we thought and in fact I think you know we actually have, we do have quite a bit of capital already I think in AFEs in the SCOOP/STACK area that, you know, it's been nice to see and that budget does include that. So really the big swing is probably going to be mostly in Chaveroo, depending on the timing for those wells.

Nicholas Pope, Analyst at Roth Capital

Got it. I appreciate it. Appreciate the time. Thanks, Joe.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, and not just the time, but also the amount. Right. Is it going to be three wells? Not sure, but yeah, appreciate it.

OPERATOR

The next question will come from Jeff Robertson with Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

Thank you. Kelly, you showed in the August slide deck slide showing that pro forma cash flow from royalty and mineral interest would have been about 20% of first nine months, fiscal 26 cash flow. Do you have a goal in mind of how big you would like to see that side of the business get or is it all opportunistic in terms of incremental capital versus royalties and non-opportunities working interests?

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

So yeah, I mean that's a very good question. I would say, you know, look, ideally, sure, you want that to be a bigger piece because they're, you know, they trade anywhere from, you know, rule of thumb and when we run the numbers on it, they're kind of worth anywhere depending on the commodity, depending on how much drilling gets done. But you know, two to four plus times on a per barrel or per BOE basis. So if you can buy those or continue to acquire those at multiples that are similar to what you could acquire or drill on with working interest stuff, then you want that to go higher.

However, we still see some very, very nice returns on some of the working interest stuff. So I would say the answer is it's going to be opportunistic for now for sure. As we keep seeing deals that are highly accretive. We're going to put capital to that.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

To be clear, Kelly, your approach to the mineral business is on minerals that are currently or will be producing soon as evidenced by the non core SCOOP/STACK set. SCOOP/STACK sale as opposed to just warehousing royalty interest. Is that the right way to think about it?

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Absolutely right. And that was an interesting one. So when we made our SCOOP/STACK minerals acquisition, what a little over a year ago now, we put value on the PDP and on a number of locations that we felt might be drilled in the relatively near future. And we had a bunch of other acreage that I do think, you know, has a chance to be very attractive for somebody else with a longer term horizon. But the ability to high grade that, right, put that money back into something that'll be more accretive near term is something that's always out there and happy to move dollars forward on similar multiples.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

And if I could ask two quick questions for Mark. Do you have a number in mind for an AFE for a Chaveroo development well in this environment, Mark?

Mark Bunch, Chief Operating Officer

Yeah, yeah. The ones we're running with right now, and this is a preliminary number, it's about $3.6 to $3.9 million.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

And then secondly, Mark, it's been hot in North Texas since the end of July. Are you seeing any impacts on production in the Barnett Shale?

Mark Bunch, Chief Operating Officer

No, actually everything seems to be running quite well.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

Okay, thank you.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jeff.

OPERATOR

The next question will come from Po Fratt with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.

Po Fratt, Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Hi, good morning, Kelly. You mentioned that you put out some guidance for capex. Have you put out guidance for, you know, production and I'm sorry, LOE for 2027.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

No, Po. And that's, you know, I could say we'd kind of like to, to be frank. We're being non-op and now non-op and mineral and royalty, we just don't often get enough visibility that we'd be able to put something out we'd be comfortable with. So just to sort of frame it though, when you look at the fourth quarter run rate, you know you're going to have Midland, come on, you're going to have more activity with SCOOP/STACK. You know, Tex Mex is still improving.

You know, Chaveroo is sort of a wild card because of what's going on with Pedevco. Right. And then the other ones are sort of in maintenance mode. Right. Is that sort of a good way to frame it? Yeah, I think that that's a decent way to frame it. And so the conclusion from what you just said is we are, we're excited about 27. We think we're going to see with a bigger contribution from, from the mineral side with improvements along the way at Tex Mex and some of the other initiatives we have.

We're excited about the opportunity and we believe we ought to start seeing even better margins as we move forward or at least even better lifting costs as we move forward. Can't control price, right?

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I mean, no, I would just add, I mean you saw in the fourth quarter we were like right around $20 per BOE. For the whole asset. So, you know, we would, as Kelly mentioned, we would think that would go down a little bit over time like as minerals is contributing more.

Po Fratt, Analyst at Alliance Global Partners

Understood. And then can we just looking at what you did in the March quarter, you had mentioned in that last call, just couple issues and I'd like to just clarify a couple of those. One on SCOOP/STACK it said that you talked about catching up on some of the data just because on the non-op wells. And are you current on that data? Is the fourth quarter a good run rate or base rate or do you still need time to catch up on some of the data there?

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, that's an interesting question. And I think the thing as wells get put on in Oklahoma in particular, they have, you know, it's a multi-month period before you actually necessarily know anything. So I would say we were caught up on the stuff we knew then, but we've had more wells convert and so we're always going to be sort of chasing data on some of that stuff as we go. Yeah, I would say in general we Yes, I think that's a true statement. Look, when you just look at where rigs are, where our acreage is and all that. Yes, absolutely.

Okay, let's see, there's a lot of parts to that. So on the contract, right, so what we're past is the catch-up for the previous period. Right. So going forward it's not going to have anything like that because that included, you know, damn near a year of catch-up. Right. And look, we expect that between us and the operator there, we'll strive to get the best contract we can to sell our product for as much as we can. And I think recently, you know, it trades a lot of times more in line—Ryan, correct me if I'm wrong—with Louisiana Light Sweet, and that has been now a premium.

And so the contracts—what it's selling for—is looking pretty good at the moment.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

We actually got a premium to WTI in the fourth quarter at Delhi. Some of that was the LLS differential like Kelly said. Some of it is the way that just—they call it a WTI roll—which is, you know, trying to get trade month synced up with calendar month, and when you have prices increase like that, you can get benefits. So overall though, yeah, I mean we feel comfortable about the differentials from Delhi in general, you know, as it relates to our broader portfolio.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

And then on the CO2 side of the world, we're not going to—they're not purchasing any more CO2 and there are no plans right now to do that. We think there's plenty of CO2 generated from the gas stream that comes out of the ground that we put back in. It's more of maintaining reservoir pressure there, which Exxon says they're doing. And then what was the other part of the question that you asked? Because there was like about four questions. Yeah, yeah. So what you're referring to is we would have the opportunity to take our production in kind and find a competing contract. And at certain times it makes sense. I mean, just however the way things are going right now, I think the contract we have there is, at the moment anyway, pretty competitive. So.

Yeah. So just let's put a fine point on that. Those were non-producing assets that we essentially had valued at not being put on for several years to come. And so they have value to the right sort of person with a longer-term hold and no need to have them necessarily convert super quickly. So if that situation—if we find an area like that where we can high-grade the portfolio and move some of that capital into more near-term expected production—that's something we will always consider.

So I hope that answers your question. Yeah. And what it—I mean it really does make that acquisition of these SCOOP/STACK minerals on the stuff that we really value near term an even better acquisition. Thank you.

OPERATOR

The next question will come from Sergei Pigory with Freedom Finance. Please go ahead.

Sergei Pigory, Analyst at Freedom Finance

Hi everyone and thank you for taking my question.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Hi Sergei.

Sergei Pigory, Analyst at Freedom Finance

Yeah, hi. What we've seen recently on natural gas prices is actually higher differentials to Henry Hub and quite low Henry Hub prices. So when do you think—and maybe you already said—differentials can normalize? And when do you think this additional demand from data centers, LNG can drive benchmark higher?

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so. Hey Sergey, this is Ryan. On the differentials, a lot of what you saw—weakness especially in the fourth quarter—was on the West Coast. You know we kind of talked about it being a really, really warm winter and storage being unusually high on the West Coast. We have seen it actually be more of a warm summer now and some of that storage has been worked off. So differentials have gotten much, much better on the West Coast. Maybe not quite back to historical standards, but they're looking a lot better than they were in the last quarter.

So we've already seen the improvement there. I would say in the Barnett and other areas, differentials have kind of been within historical norms. On the Henry Hub side, you know, we are fairly well hedged at prices that are above the strip right now, so we are protected on Henry Hub there. And Kelly can give you his two cents too on just the pricing in general. But I do think that, you know, you have seen some weakness in Henry Hub due to additional production, some of the Permian production coming through to the Gulf Coast with the new pipeline.

So, you know, obviously that's weighed a little bit on the Henry Hub pricing. And also the other big one being that it's actually—we think that the price is kind of anticipating a warm winter right now. You know, you've got people worried about this super El Niño going on and so, you know, a lot of the pricing is already assuming that the winter is very warm.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Sergey, I agree with Ryan on that wholeheartedly. But I tell you what, we are excited about the prospects of the non-weather-related incremental demand that we see coming on over, you know, the near and medium term as significant drivers that are, like I said, completely outside of weather. Weather's always going to matter. And I think Ryan's right. The current sort of strip is anticipating a warm winter. If that doesn't turn out, I think you'll see a big, big move.

If it does, I think it's kind of already priced in. And then again as we go forward, you know, over the next 2, 3, 4, 5 years and you see LNG growing very significantly, you see more power growth. Right. Just the call on power itself is often estimated to be pretty staggering. And if you just hold natural gas's sort of current percentage of that incremental power growth, there's a whole bunch of new demand for natural gas that will just be its piece of the power growth, and again that's excluding any increase in natural gas's portion of that.

And again you're seeing more exports to Mexico—lots of things pulling on U.S. sort of demand and potentially bringing it elsewhere—and should put a strengthening under the market over time. But in the meantime, if you have a super warm winter, it's going to put a sort of cap on current pricing.

Sergei Pigory, Analyst at Freedom Finance

Yes, for sure. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

OPERATOR

The next question is a follow up from Jeff Robertson of Water Tower Research. Please go ahead.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

Thank you. Ryan, just a follow-up to the question regarding the RBL. Did the $73 million temporary increase—or the $8 million actually temporary increase—did that include the reserves in the Midland acquisition and based on year-end 2026 reserve report?

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, effectively. I mean that's what the additional capacity was for is the engineered reserve report on the Midland side. Now obviously when we do our full redetermination in a couple weeks here, it'll use our year-end reserve report for all of our assets to kind of look at that again. But that's the way to think about it is the incremental $8 million was effectively driven by the Midland minerals.

Jeff Robertson, Analyst at Water Tower Research

Thank you again.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

Really probably only relates to the PDP side of that, I would say.

Ryan Stash, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

That's right.

OPERATOR

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Kelly Lloyd for any closing remarks.

Kelly Lloyd, President and Chief Executive Officer

As always, we want to thank you all for taking your time to join us here, and we welcome you to follow up if you need any clarification on anything we said. Thank you very much.

OPERATOR

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

Disclaimer: This transcript is provided for informational purposes only. While we strive for accuracy, there may be errors or omissions in this automated transcription. For official company statements and financial information, please refer to the company's SEC filings and official press releases. Corporate participants' and analysts' statements reflect their views as of the date of this call and are subject to change without notice.