Kinaxis (TSX:KXS) reported second-quarter financial results on Thursday. The transcript from the company's second-quarter earnings call has been provided below.
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Summary
Kinaxis reported a 5.5% increase in consolidated revenue excluding fuel surcharge, with operating income growing by 44.4% year over year.
Adjusted earnings per share rose 80% year over year to $0.63, as the company benefited from pricing and network efficiency gains.
The company noted strong market conditions driven by supply constraints, with tender rejection rates and revenue per mile improving substantially.
Management highlighted regulatory efforts and the Supreme Court's Montgomery ruling as factors tightening supply and benefiting large asset-based carriers.
The company expects adjusted EPS for Q3 2026 to be between $0.71 and $0.77, with ongoing opportunities for rate increases and market share growth.
Full Transcript
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Good afternoon. My name is Gillian Robinson and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Knight Swift Transportation second quarter 2026 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator.
Speakers from today's call will be Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Hess, Chief Financial Officer, and Brad Stewart, Treasurer and Senior VP of Investor Relations. Mr. Stewart, the meeting is now yours.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
Thank you, Jillian. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining our second quarter 2026 earnings call. Today we plan to discuss topics related to the results of the quarter, current market conditions, and our earnings guidance. We have slides to accompany this call which are posted on our investor website. Our call is scheduled to last one hour. Following our commentary, we will answer questions related to these topics. In order to get to as many participants as possible, we limit the questions to one per participant.
If you have a second question, please feel free to get back in the queue. We will answer as many questions as time allows, and if we are not able to get to your question due to time restrictions, you may call 602-606-6349 to begin. I will first refer you to the disclosures on slide 2 of the presentation and note the following. This conference call and presentation may contain forward-looking statements made by the company that involve risks and assumptions and uncertainties that are difficult to predict.
Investors are directed to the information contained in Item 1A, Risk Factors of Part 1 of the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the United States SEC for a discussion of the risks that may affect the company's future operating results. Actual results may differ. Now I'll hand the call over to Adam for some opening remarks.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Brad, and good afternoon everyone. So, the truckload freight market has rapidly progressed over the past few months with spot rates trending well ahead of normal seasonality, tender rejection rates reaching levels not seen since 2021, and contractual bid activity growing increasingly supportive. This has continued to be largely supply driven, though signs of improving demand are starting to emerge. We believe our business is positioned particularly well for environments such as this with our leading over-the-road scale, agility in the market to optimize yield, collaborative cross-brand solutions to meet shippers' needs, an industry-leading academy, network and training infrastructure to source professional drivers, and an intense cultural focus on cost and excellence in execution to convert opportunities into earnings. Further, we believe demand for our truckload service offering is outpacing the market as evidenced by our tender rejection rates running roughly twice the level of public indications in the second quarter. Realized revenue per mile was just beginning to recover in the second quarter as contract rate improvement in the period was largely driven by bids priced early in the year.
Revenue per mile accelerated in June as the more recent bids reflecting the tighter backdrop started taking effect. These bid outcomes largely brought double-digit percentage gains in pricing in the third quarter. The planned annual bid events typically wind down, though mini-bid and turnback bid activity is persisting, if not increasing, in recent weeks. Additionally, we continue working on rate reviews on existing business to address rates that are below market where the next scheduled bid is too far out to be sustainable.
We believe the efforts of the FMCSA and DOT, including initiatives to prevent and revoke invalidly issued CDLs, prevent cabotage, shut down noncompliant CDL schools, and address hours-of-service abuses, are in the early stages and will continue for some time. This cleanup effort should, in our view, have an outsized impact on the one-way truckload market, particularly on the lowest-price capacity. The service that was under the most pressure over the past few years is now benefiting the most from capacity exiting the system, a dynamic we expect will continue beyond the regulatory-driven pressure on supply.
We believe the recent Montgomery ruling by the Supreme Court will add to the tightening in the truckload market as marginal carriers will likely be squeezed out through a combination of higher insurance costs and higher shipper and/or broker selection standards. Given our long-standing commitment to safety and our significant investments made in support of it over many years, the Montgomery ruling should not add cost to our asset-based business but should rather bring some future opportunities to it.
And so, as for brokers—which, hey, we have a brokerage business as well—the Montgomery ruling could structurally change the economic incentives for a large share of the brokerage space that all too often have pursued the cheapest possible capacity with less regard for carrier safety and quality. It will likely take time for cost pressures from insurance and litigation to drive behavior change for many, but shipper behavior could bring that about sooner.
To the extent shippers stiffen requirements or allocate freight differently to mitigate risk, some shippers are starting to ask for higher insurance limits from brokers and carriers, ask questions about carrier vetting practices, or even insist on having the right to approve broker carriers before they can be assigned. On the insurance front, our view has been that premiums for broker liability insurance will climb over time as underwriters work through a reevaluation of the risk and as litigation emerges.
Our brokerage insurance actually expired in June, and we were in the market working towards renewal when the Montgomery ruling came out, and that significantly impacted our renewal efforts. We have seen firsthand some of the changes that are just starting to develop in the insurance market. In addition to a significant reduction in insurance capacity, insurers are seeking to introduce exclusions regarding carrier vetting practices into the policies, which, if not strictly followed, would lead to a lack of coverage altogether for an accident.
The good news is that feedback from insurers was that our carrier vetting is as rigorous as they've seen. But despite this, our premium rates increased to multiples of our prior coverage within just a few weeks of the Montgomery decision. So we expect insurance costs in the space will continue to climb. Improvements in carrier vetting will noticeably pressure the carrier base and gross margins for brokers who will need to make meaningful changes to their approach.
While we regularly review our vetting approach and will continue to evaluate whether further refinements are feasible and effective, we believe our standards are already more stringent than most and are reflected in the size of our carrier base and our purchase transportation costs. The situation is very fluid, and shippers, carriers, and brokers will navigate their respective risks and decisions as they see fit. But we believe the incremental opportunities for our business are greater than the incremental costs, and especially for our asset division.
Shippers continue to reduce usage of brokers and align with quality asset-based capacity. Our customers also generally have solid outlooks for their respective businesses in the near term, and discussions about peak season demand support have continued. With the tightening in market conditions, recruiting and retaining quality drivers have become more challenging. The constrained driver market is affecting over-the-road, dedicated, LTL, and drayage markets to varying degrees.
We believe we have an advantage with our terminal network, academies to source and develop drivers, and a diverse service offering. The truckload market is most affected, and we are making thoughtful, targeted investments to aid our efforts starting in the third quarter, generally in the form of hiring and productivity incentives. We continue to closely monitor the driver market conditions as well as our own metrics around seated tractors, utilization, and pay as a percentage of revenue to gauge appropriate actions as we balance the need to restore margins with opportunities for growth.
We are encouraged by the momentum in the market and strong early progress in our core truckload business. We remain focused on increasing our seated truck percentage and optimizing yield. We are continually refining our cyclical playbook and have been preparing for this phase, which is typically a pivotal point. We have worked intentionally towards reducing costs, preparing to scale efficiently, investing in recruiting and training capacity, and driving collaboration and technology towards maximizing opportunities in order to enhance the contributions of our operational and market management strategies.
And with the acquisitions over the past five years, we have a larger revenue base to work with than we have entering any prior upcycle. With that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew and Brad to review the results and our guidance.
Andrew Hess (Chief Financial Officer)
Thanks, Adam. The charts on Slide 3 compare our consolidated second quarter revenue and earnings results on a year-over-year basis. Consolidated revenue excluding truckload and LTL fuel surcharge increased 5.5%, and operating income grew $32.2 million, or 44.4% year over year. Adjusted operating income grew $47.2 million, or 45.5% year over year. The improvement in earnings was primarily driven by pricing and network efficiency gains across our asset-based businesses.
GAAP earnings per diluted share for the second quarter of 2026 were $0.26, a 23.8% increase year over year. Adjusted EPS was $0.63 for the second quarter of 2026, an 80% increase year over year. Our consolidated adjusted operating ratio was 91.4%, a 240 basis point improvement year over year. The effective tax rate on our GAAP results was 34.1%, and our non-GAAP effective tax rate was 24.4% for the second quarter. Slide 4 illustrates the revenue and adjusted operating income for each of our segments for the quarter.
Relative share of our various services offerings remained largely consistent quarter over quarter, with Intermodal gaining slightly over the first quarter as it grew revenue 21.2% sequentially. All reportable segments other than logistics improved their operating margins and income contribution earlier. Now we will discuss each of our segments, starting with our truckload segment on Slide 5. Our truckload segment grew revenue excluding fuel surcharge by 2.8% and grew adjusted operating income by 69.4% year over year through disciplined network management and strategic deployment of capacity.
Revenue per loaded mile excluding fuel surcharge and intersegment transactions increased 5.5% year over year for the quarter. Network efficiency gains amplified the margin opportunity as a 140 basis point reduction in deadhead miles produced even greater improvement in revenue per total mile. The adjusted operating ratio improved 360 basis points year over year to 91%, yielding the best adjusted operating margin for the combined truckload segment in over three years.
Year over year, rate improvement progressed through the quarter, driven by spot and project opportunities that developed within the quarter. As Adam noted, rate improvement accelerated in June as more recent bids started taking effect, with truckload revenue per loaded mile excluding fuel surcharge increasing 8.4% and revenue excluding fuel surcharge per tractor increasing 10.1% year over year. Results for the over-the-road service were even stronger, as this is the most capacity-constrained part of the market.
U.S. Xpress is making greater rate gains than our legacy brands, which was a key pillar in our thesis with the acquisition. Given the relative starting points on the pricing portfolios, we are excited to finally be in an improving market where we can fully act to reset rates, which is what we had called out as the biggest synergy opportunity. This rate progress helped bring the U.S. Xpress over-the-road division to its first profitable quarter since the acquisition, an important milestone for what was the most challenged part of the business at acquisition.
With the normal bid season winding down at this point in the calendar, we are focused on ongoing opportunities to drive rate recovery as mini bids, turnback bids, and rate reviews continue. While our total miles per tractor declined year over year for the first time in eight quarters, this was primarily due to the reduction in empty miles as we drove network efficiencies. Q2 loaded miles per tractor improved year over year for the seventh consecutive quarter.
Importantly, the strengthening rate backdrop and improving network efficiencies have ongoing implications for our business. With driver availability becoming a utilization or volume headwind, we are taking targeted actions in Q3 on driver pay with the goal of improving seat-to-truck count and opportunity capture. We remain focused on margin restoration alongside these efforts and are calibrating investments based on sustainable rate gains. Now onto Slide 6 for a discussion of our LTL business.
While the LTL sector has not seen the same sharp tightening as truckload, demand that has been generally stable is seeing pockets of improvement. In addition to some indirect benefits from truckload tightness, our freight mix continues to improve and rate renewals have remained steady at a mid-single-digit pace. We are focused on optimizing freight mix and network efficiency in efforts to improve margin while protecting service and positioning us for further growth.
LTL revenue excluding fuel surcharge declined 1.4% year over year, driven by a 3.7% decrease in shipments per day as we metered certain volumes as part of our initiatives around freight mix and network efficiency. Improvements in freight mix drove 4% growth in our daily tonnage, 7.9% growth in our weight per shipment, and a 5.3% increase in our length of haul year over year. Additionally, both daily shipments and tonnage trends showed momentum as the quarter progressed.
Revenue per hundredweight excluding fuel surcharge fell 4.2% driven by the strong increase in weight per shipment, while revenue per shipment excluding fuel surcharge increased 3.4% year over year. The adjusted operating ratio improved 100 basis points year over year to 92.1% and adjusted operating income grew 13.3%. While we anticipate that fuel will be a quarter-over-quarter headwind in Q3 based on recent trends, we aim to offset this margin headwind with further efficiency gains, volume recovery, and pricing progress.
We expect that over time, growing into our network investments, maturing freight mix, improvement in network density, and continuously refining our operational cost execution will allow us to drive sustained, methodical improvement in operating margin. Now I'll turn it over to Brad for a discussion of our logistics segment on Slide 7.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
Thanks, Andrew. The logistics segment grew revenue 8.9% year over year, driven by a 29.6% increase in revenue per load, partially offset by a 16.4% decline in load count as we maintain a disciplined approach to profitability and carrier quality. Tightness in third-party carrier capacity continued through the second quarter, as gross margin of 15.4% for the second quarter declined 350 basis points year over year and 120 basis points from first quarter levels.
The adjusted operating ratio was 96.4%, a 160 basis point degradation year over year. As contractual pricing is reset through bid activity and proactive rate reviews, we expect to grow volumes at appropriate gross margins moving forward. Also, over time, we expect our logistics business to benefit from share gains as brokers with less robust safety and compliance infrastructure are pressured out of the market following the Montgomery ruling. As noted earlier, this team continues to leverage technology to take cost efficiencies to a new level, as well as to improve our responsiveness and ability to capture opportunities in the marketplace, which we expect will contribute to earnings in 2026. Now on to Slide 8 for discussion of our intermodal business. The intermodal segment grew revenue 34.9% and improved its operating ratio 470 basis points year over year through a 19.6% increase in load count, a 12.8% increase in revenue per load, and improvements in costs and network efficiency. On a sequential basis, load count grew 9.7%, and revenue per load grew 10.4% over the first quarter levels.
Load count improved progressively throughout the quarter, and core pricing also improved throughout the quarter as revenue per load increased 2.4% year over year before factoring in fuel surcharge revenue fluctuations. In addition, mix was a headwind to pricing as we've increased our backhaul volumes to improve network balance. While outside drayage service is affected by the constrained driver market, we outsource only a low single-digit percentage of our drayage needs, which should provide some insulation from the tightening in drayage capacity.
Though the intermodal pricing environment remains more competitive than truckload, we are encouraged by ongoing opportunities to leverage our strong service performance and our truckload relationships to continue growing our volumes at improving rates. Our pipeline is strong and supported by mini-bid and turnback bid activities as well as modal conversion opportunities. We remain focused on delivering excellent service and driving appropriate returns through growing our load count with disciplined pricing, through cost control, network balance, and equipment utilization, and Slide 9 illustrates our All Other segments.
This category includes warehousing activities and support services provided to our customers, independent contractors, and third-party carriers, such as equipment sales and rentals, insurance, and maintenance. Additionally, beginning January 1st of 2026, All Other segments also includes the cost of our accounts receivable securitization program that was reported below the line in interest expense in prior years. For the quarter, revenue increased 41.8% year over year, reaching the highest mark in over three years, driven by growth in warehousing and trailer leasing services.
While the operating businesses in this category grew their income contribution year over year, operating results overall declined to an operating loss due to the inclusion of $5.8 million of costs for the accounts receivable securitization program as well as an $18.2 million severance charge primarily related to the retirement of our former executive chairman. On Slide 10, we highlight our convertible bonds issuance during the second quarter and the benefits to our company.
We've been monitoring the convert market for a long time and viewed this as an attractive opportunity to provide immediate, meaningful earnings accretion, increase our flexibility, and support our ongoing deleveraging efforts. This instrument allowed us to monetize our combination of strong credit and stock volatility while our stock was trading near all-time highs. By issuing bonds at 1% to pay off floating-rate debt around 5%, we expect to generate annual savings of approximately $44 million pre-tax after accounting for deal costs.
Beyond the immediate interest savings, the convert also helped us to extend maturities, reduce floating-rate exposure, and reduce the outstanding capital among our banking relationships. Additionally, as we are bullish on the opportunities ahead for our company, we used $107 million of the proceeds to purchase a call spread that increased the effective conversion price from roughly $80 per share to $105 per share. As a result, shareholders receive the benefit of the interest savings today, while dilution remains limited until the stock appreciates substantially.
And as illustrated on the slide, if the stock were to appreciate 87% from issuance to a hypothetical share price of $115, dilution would be approximately 1% of our current shares outstanding. Now on Slide 11, we have outlined our guidance and the key assumptions, which are also stated in the earnings release. Actual results may differ from our expectations. Based on our assumptions, we project our adjusted EPS for the third quarter of 2026 to be in the range of $0.71 to $0.77.
Our projections reflect recent trends in volumes, spot rates, bid activity, and driver hiring, as well as expectations for continued seasonal patterns for both truckload and LTL services. The key assumptions underpinning this guidance are listed on this slide. This concludes our prepared remarks, and before I turn it over for questions, just want to remind everyone to keep it to one question per participant. Thank you, Gillian. We will now open the line for questions.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one. Again, we ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality if you are muted locally. Please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q and A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Ken Hoekster with Bank of America. Ken, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Ken Hoekster, Analyst at Bank of America
Great. Thanks and good afternoon. Thanks Adam, Brad, Andrew, thanks for the outlook details. Maybe just delve into the utilization or miles per tractor, the deadhead impact. Right. So, you know, how do you adjust that and then the timing of rolling in the out-of-date contracts with the new pricing, maybe just talk scale or speed with which we could see that both of those ends, utilization and pricing, start to really roll in. Thanks.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, appreciate that, Ken. Well, you know, anytime you go through bid season, you're going to have some level of churn where you're losing some of the incumbent business and you're picking up new lanes. And so when we have maybe a greater amount of freight being awarded to us than really we can handle, we have an opportunity to kind of pick and choose the lanes that create some additional efficiency in our network. And so we've been going through that process as we've been getting awards from our customers.
And then even on the spot market, there's more opportunities there to fill in empty lanes that we've had historically. And so every business has just been going through and trying to build some efficiency into their network. And that'll be something that we'll be continually doing as we find, you know, more opportunities and get more awards from our customers. In terms of the pace of how the rates are playing out, I think, as we touched on in the prepared remarks, we saw that really accelerate in June.
We had a lot of the bid activity get implemented in June and we'll have some additional activity get implemented in July. But quite honestly, there's going to be an ongoing process and we are constantly getting these mini bids or even churn bids where a customer has gone and awarded business and you've had carriers who've had to reject a certain amount of awards because of the lack of available capacity or just a lack of a fit in their network. And then they have to go source some additional capacity to not be in the spot market.
We're seeing a lot of those. Obviously the spot market is robust and so we are creating a greater amount of exposure to the spot markets. I think this year we started the year probably, you know, around 10%. We're now kind of mid-teens in terms of our spot market exposure. And then you also have projects that will build and sometimes those can come without notice, sometimes they're planned. We had a good amount of projects that built into the back half of June as, you know, customers were needing capacity going into the Fourth of July holiday.
That slows a little bit as you come out of the holiday. But I would expect that to pick up probably in September and then that really lead to what we believe would be a strong peak season. So I expect some normal seasonality to play out. But also I do think there's just, you know, the robust spot market and mini-bid activity that allows us to continually improve rate. And then, hey, once you get through what we, what we believe will be a strong fourth quarter peak season, you're kind of right back into bid season where you're able to address rates that may be outside of the market.
Andrew Hess (Chief Financial Officer)
And just on your point on deadhead empty miles, you know, we really—let me point to two factors that are allowing, enabling us to drive this improvement. First, we've been in the process, in development, and have been implementing the last few months some enhanced planning tools that are significant in our ability to reduce our empty mile percent. We've seen that really take traction, and so the momentum on our empty miles has been building over the last few quarters.
But in an environment like this, in a good market, we have an opportunity to really build a more efficient network. And so we're taking the fundamental changes we made in our structural processes on how we plan, along with the market, where you have an opportunity. Those are sustainable changes for the foreseeable future that we think are going to enable us to do that. And so that's obviously creating some noise on our total miles per truck, but when you look at our loaded miles per truck, we are on a healthy trend that continues to build.
So our biggest opportunity is going to be seating trucks that are not active—so unseated trucks—where we do have a lot of opportunity there. Obviously we've put a lot of that cost into the system, so it's going to lever really well as we are able to put those trucks to work.
Ken Hoekster, Analyst at Bank of America
Great. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, appreciate it.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Scott, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Scott Group, Analyst at Wolfe Research
Hey, thanks. Afternoon. So Adam, you talked about ELD and hours of service enforcement. It feels like we haven't really seen that yet. So maybe talk about what could be coming, because I think that could be another big sort of opportunity on the capacity side. And then, you know, I guess just along those lines, listening to you, it sounds like with Montgomery and all these regulations, sounds like you think large asset-based carriers should be the beneficiaries here.
It's been a really long time, but do you see opportunity to start growing your fleet organically?
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. So let me hit that, Scott. So first question on these hours of service enforcement. You know, I think this administration has a lot of things on their agenda that they plan to push to clean up the environment. There have been a lot of ELDs that have been self-certified in our industry that we don't believe can stand the rigors of real compliance. And I think they've been—you know, we've seen this administration going through and invalidating some of these devices and being much more strict on roadside inspections.
And so I think that's just going to be part of the equation of just managing noncompliance carriers out there. And I think they're in the early innings of really pushing that. I think there's just a lot of ELD providers out there to work through, just like there would be CDL schools. There's so many out there that they're cracking down on that were created that, again, were self-certified. And I know that's important to this administration. So those will be, you know, areas that will just continue to push out the noncompliant carriers, which typically, you know, are those that are much cheaper in terms of how they price their capacity.
In terms of Montgomery, I do believe that the quality asset-based carriers would be, you know, a large beneficiary from this ruling, as we've had many customers reach out to divert some volume that was with brokers to the asset-based carriers. And we've also had customers who use our brokerage who want to understand how do we vet carriers and what are the things that we look at as important to ensure that we're putting a safe carrier, and more importantly a safe driver, behind the wheel that's hauling their freight.
And we've done a lot on that front even before the Montgomery ruling that I think has put us in a good position relative to many in the space. But, hey, we continue to look through that and to ensure that we're mitigating risk best as possible, but, you know, being balanced with having capacity available for our customers. It certainly—with where the freight market is—I've always said in transportation or in trucking, you either have freight or you have drivers.
It's rare that you have them at the same time. And so clearly we're focused on maximizing the opportunities in the market today with the freight that's available. And we are looking towards how do we maximize the utilization of our existing equipment. And then once we feel like we're in a good position there, we would like to grow the fleet. Driver availability—quality driver availability—will be the one relegating factor. And so we're trying to put together some really thoughtful approaches to how we incentivize drivers in our company, how we recruit drivers for our different companies.
I know a big question is, you know, what happens with driver pay as the rate market improves. And we're committed to preserving rate best we can to enhance margins because there's a lot of margins that we have to get back into our business. And I think a lot of our peers are in the same place on that front. Now I think the good news is the last upcycle we had, we were competing against government incentives and we were competing against a very tight labor market, where that is—you know, I think that this market is very different than then.
And so we don't have to spend as much to incentivize drivers to come to our company. So we've already done some things that are very tactical and very strategic in where we're going to put dollars around, you know, production incentives, maybe some sign-on bonuses in just key markets—not broad-based, not near the expense we would have done during the last upcycle. And we're taking different approaches, business by business, and learning from them.
And then at some point we'll maybe harmonize them to what got the best results and the greatest return based on the investment. Yeah, but you're right, ultimately we want to be able to grow organically in this market. But, hey, we've got some utilization to improve before we get to that point. But I like to think that we'd be able to achieve that and begin to grow.
Scott Group, Analyst at Wolfe Research
Thank you.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Ozenbeck with JP Morgan. Brian, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Brian Ozenbeck, Analyst at JP Morgan
All right, thanks very much for taking the question. Maybe a first quick follow-up for Adam. Do you think that some of these seated tractors can be filled here in the near term? Is that something—it sounds like there's some approaches already in flight—so do you feel like you'll get some progress there? And I know it's maybe a sensitive number, but any relative percentage you can give us in terms of where you have been historically with unseated tractors might be helpful to figure out where that trend's going.
And then maybe for Andrew, if we can hear just a little bit more about the LTO trends, you know, what was the month, how was that progressing? Were there any capacity constraints that you ran into there that we're sort of hearing across different parts of the industry? And then I guess lastly the fuel headwind comment got a lot of attention. So maybe you can just walk through what you expect on that. Thanks very much, guys.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, yeah, look, I'd say from a seated tractor standpoint, we're just going to make incremental progress. That would be my expectation, Brian. I'd say overall for our company, it's stable. You have some businesses that have seen some good progress and others that have seen a little bit of pressure there. But overall it's been relatively stable. We don't give a percentage out there, so it doesn't differ much from where we've been over the last year or two.
But it's definitely a focus of ours. Given the amount of freight opportunities that we have, I mean we're rejecting twice as much as the industry. And so those are going to be freight opportunities that we could leverage in our market if we had more seated trucks. Now that we have the ability to do a little bit on the driver pay front that can help support bringing more drivers in and enhancing our recruiting, I think it's a good opportunity for us.
And so we're highly focused on that.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
Brian, on LTL intra-quarter trends, let me just give you some of the numbers so you have them. Then I'll give some context around it. If you look at our shipments per day, which we described are down year over year as we've had this freight mix change with higher weight shipments: April we were down 6.5% year over year, May we were down 3.2%, and in June we were down 1.3%. So we saw our shipments per day grow from April to May to June. We implied it in the discussion in our comments earlier, but early in the quarter we metered some of our demand to protect service as we wanted to make sure we were balanced on our inbound and outbound freight.
And so we restricted for a period of time early in the quarter our demand to make sure that we could maintain service. We feel like we were able to open that up as we got into the middle of the quarter, and so we see a good environment in LTL. We hope to build off of the volumes that we experienced in Q2 and grow in Q3. The comments on fuel are just saying it is an unpredictable line of our P&L. We know that it helped us some in Q2. What we're seeing early in the quarter would say maybe not, but that is a line we can't really foresee; there is a high degree of variability and so we're just going to watch how that plays out. We just wanted to introduce the idea that that is an uncertain line that could provide benefit or cost into Q3.
Brian Ozenbeck, Analyst at JP Morgan
Okay, thanks very much, guys. Appreciate it.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Chappelle with Evercore ISI. Jonathan, your line is open.
Jonathan Chappelle, Analyst at Evercore ISI
Good afternoon. Thank you. Good afternoon. Adam, you mentioned in the prior answer—I don't think it was asked directly but you answered it anyway—about the driver pay and kind of relative. It's a big question that's being asked right now. I just want to kind of simplify it, if you can. Can you compare and contrast the driver wage inflation potential today versus what it was in late '20, early '21? And then, to take the next step forward, how do you see either overall industry or Knight upside margin potential—or call it peak margin potential—given the similarities and potential differences of wage inflation versus price?
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, well, again like I mentioned, it's a very different labor market this go-around than we saw in 2021 where we were competing with government incentives or stimulus and just an overall very tight labor market where there were other significant opportunities, alternatives for that vocational labor. Drivers are always tight—I mean they always have been. We did a lot in pay in 2021, so we caught up quite a bit of where we were lacking as an industry.
We haven't taken any of that back. Even though rates went back 20%, driver pay has held as a per-mile basis and has put pressure on margin as a result of that. So I think there's a lot of rate to get back and there's some room on driver pay certainly, but not near the extent that we had in '20 and '21. And so I do think we'll see margins, I would believe, improve faster in this cycle because of that. But we're starting at a much lower level, clearly.
So I don't know that I'm really ready to say that the peak of margin changes from historical patterns versus this market because of where we are starting. But we're in the early innings of this shift in the market. And what's unique about it is it's so supply-driven. Largely, again, we saw kind of a couple anecdotes of demand starting to improve—certainly not broad-based yet. So because it's supply-driven, it does feel like it could be a bit more durable, but it could be a little bit more linear in terms of how we see the results improve than maybe when it's really driven by a significant increase in consumer demand.
When demand jumps up, shippers really need capacity because they're missing sales, and it's new opportunity for shippers, and so they're a bit more willing to give rate increases to get that capacity. In a market today, we're moving the same goods for the same sales—just a lot fewer trucks to service that. And so you have to really negotiate and push to get the rates that you need to support your fleet and to get the return. So again, I don't know how this all plays out down the road in terms of peak margins, but I definitely feel like we'll have an opportunity to flow through the rate increases to improve our margin while doing a little bit for drivers where it makes sense and in the markets where we need it.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
Jonathan, I would just point to—
Jonathan Chappelle, Analyst at Evercore ISI
Thanks, Adam.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
Our approach, Jonathan, is kind of five-prong in terms of—outside of driver pay—five things that we're doing as we look at how we navigate a tighter driver market. So, we put money to work in marketing—that would be the first. We've built up our recruiter base as we've been going through this year, so we put money ahead of those areas to focus on. Third, I would say we are leveraging tools we haven't had in the past—AI tools, including others—to help us be more efficient in recruiting and our training, retaining, and rehiring.
Fourth is leveraging our academy network. And something that we've probably not done as well in the past is leveraging between our brands our academy network to help all of our brands benefit from the academy network we have. And then the fifth is, we're so much more, in terms of the tools we have around driver pay. We've deployed new tools about how we pay our owner-operators that are market-based pay. We've got better tools around market intelligence.
So the decisions that we're going to be making around driver pay, like Adam mentioned, are going to be tactical, data-based, market-based, specific to the fleet needs. Our approach is going to be more precise than blunt, which we've done in the past. We think that is going to help us be really smart in how we deploy resources in driver pay to accomplish both things: grow our fleet and capture margin recovery.
Jonathan Chappelle, Analyst at Evercore ISI
Got it. Thank you.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Ravi Shankar with Morgan Stanley. Ravi, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Ravi Shankar, Analyst at Morgan Stanley
Great, thanks. Good afternoon, Adam. How are your shipper customers talking to you about TL versus intermodal right now? I think we're seeing a bit of a switch to intermodal. Do you think this is opportunistic given the gap in rates? Do you think it switches back to TL when demand tightens up, and kind of how do you think about—I mean, how agnostic or not are you to that switch? Thank you.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I think it's been for us maybe more anecdotal than anything, Ravi. I haven't seen a wide shift from a wide group of customers, but there are certainly some where they have a longer length of haul or it's a great fit where the freight is close to the ramp pairs, where the gap has grown enough to where they'll give up some transit time or service to move intermodally. And we're seeing some of that, but I don't think it's material to the amount of opportunities we have on the truckload side.
But it has helped with some of the growth in our intermodal business. So, I mean, we're open to it because a lot of this stuff is longer length of haul. Much of this freight we probably wouldn't have been hauling anyway in our truckload fleet because of how regional our fleet is. And so we're very open to it. But again, I think it's still relatively small compared to the amount of freight that's moving by truck today.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question from the line of Chris Weatherby with Wells Fargo. Chris, your line is—
Chris Weatherby, Analyst at Wells Fargo
Thank you. Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. I guess maybe a little shorter term, sort of hone in a little bit on the third quarter truckload guidance. I guess revenue up mid-single digits year over year. I think you talked about the exit rate on a revenue-per-truck basis being in the 10% range. So I guess I'm just kind of curious about some of the moving parts there. We talked a little bit about seated tractors before. Do we assume that we actually will see more slippage sequentially in terms of the total fleet count?
Want to get a sense of how we should think about squaring that revenue-per-tractor number relative to the potential total revenue number. Just get a sense of how you're thinking about the puts and takes, and if there's any sort of updates you might want to give in terms of what that June number might look like as we transition over into July or the third quarter. Thank you.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Diana, did you want to hit on some of the guidance updates?
Diana
Yeah, so let me give you a couple of the dynamics that are going on there as you look at the Q2 to Q3. We expect the rate momentum that we saw coming out of Q2 will continue. At the end of the quarter, we saw a lot of project activity, seasonal activity that came with very healthy spot rates. As you move into Q3, you see some of those go down—that is typical in the July, August period. We think there's some indication that those will be strong as we enter the back period of Q3, but we'll have to see.
What we're seeing otherwise is a building contract volume. We still have a lot of the rates that have been negotiated going into effect in July and August, and so we'll continue to see that rate build, and that is what's driving the incremental EPS contribution to the business. Now, there are some factors that may act as a little bit of a headwind. I talked about fuel—we'll have to see where fuel rates go, but that certainly is something we're watching carefully because it could be very impactful, particularly on the timing of that.
Q2 was a large quarter for us on gains; we expect that would be less based on the amount of inventory we expect to sell in the third quarter. So that's going to provide us some degree of sequential cost pressure. And then driver pay we talked about may provide a little bit of cost pressure, although we think it's relatively small at this point because of the approach we're taking. Those are factors I'll consider, and I think we're going to see that benefit clearly in our one-way business.
I would say for the rest of our portfolio—our Dedicated business, LTL, Intermodal, Logistics—the Q2 to Q3 is more steady in terms of contribution, and so obviously those parts of the business aren't going to contribute sequentially a significantly different EPS contribution. So those are the dynamics I would point you to for the sequential look on the quarters.
Andrew Hess (Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah, and Chris, I know you mentioned about truck counting. We feel like truck counts can be stable sequentially. Miles picking up a little bit just from seasonality. So that I think that would be part of the equation as well. But, you know, hey, we expect the truckload business in the aggregate, including our dedicated, to operate in the high 80s. It's been quite a few quarters since we've been there, so we feel encouraged about that. And, hey, we feel we'll build from there into fourth quarter.
Chris Weatherby, Analyst at Wells Fargo
Very helpful, guys, thank you.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Ari Rosa from Citigroup. Ari, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Ari Rosa, Analyst at Citigroup
Yeah, hi, good afternoon. So Adam, maybe you're the best person to ask this question. I think it's similar to Chris's question just now. But if we look at truckload revenue ex fuel up about 3% year over year in second quarter and the guide for mid single-digit growth in third quarter, compare that against the spot rate which we're seeing up, you know, significantly above that. I understand, obviously, there's a big difference between spot and contract.
But, you know, looking at the last cycle, obviously we were getting to double-digit type of increases on revenue per load mile. What's the cadence or what's the expectation on when that can flow through or when we might expect that just given the kind of severe tightening that's happened in capacity? Like, you know, I don't want the question to sound overly critical, but I guess I'm just surprised that that number isn't a bit higher or accelerating faster.
And I understand you guys gave some of the guidance on, you know, that's accelerating or accelerated through the quarter. But, you know, should we expect that getting to, like, double digits as we think about, you know, beyond third quarter? Thanks.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Ari, to clarify, you're saying which metric double digits — revenue per mile, or just overall truckload revenue?
Ari Rosa, Analyst at Citigroup
Revenue per load mile specifically?
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. No. So, you know, we came out of the quarter — we mentioned June — we were on a revenue per total mile over 10% on a loaded basis, over 8% on a year-over-year basis. Now, we did have some projects in June, which, you know, that drives a lot of premium freight and, look, we're still, you know, 70-plus percent on the contract side, 50% of spot and you have some backup that we take. And so when you look at the spot rates, I mean, that's not really the market that we operate in and it's small relative to the overall.
But our goal is to have good, sustainable contract rates and have flexibility to do projects and take advantage of spot where it makes sense for our business. Now, do I feel like, you know, you always take a little bit of a step back seasonally from projects as you grow past the 4th of July — you know, July is still strong, just your normal business, but you may not have premium projects. We believe that will build into the back half of the quarter, particularly into September.
And so I think rates could start to trend in that double-digit range as you get into September. And then I feel like, if things play out as expected, fourth quarter would really see a ramp up as you'd expect to have a good amount of projects and a heavy amount of spot opportunities and even some backup opportunities as we go into the fourth quarter.
Andrew Hess (Chief Financial Officer)
Ari, you know, we are securing, for the most part, double-digit rates in our bids and in negotiations. So that is the rate we're getting. But you've got to remember a third of our fleet are dedicated, and that's going to follow a different cadence. We think the benefit will come to dedicated in this market, but that doesn't happen in such a short time. So I think those are factors you got to make sure you include as you model the projection in the short term.
Ari Rosa, Analyst at Citigroup
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for the time.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Tom Wadowitz with UBS. Tom, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Tom Wadowitz, Analyst at UBS
Yeah, good afternoon. So I know you've gotten a bunch of kind of questions on price that are kind of near term. Maybe, Adam, if I take a step back from that and say, you know, we've got a couple cycles to look at and, you know, how much did spot rates go up, how much did contract rates go up in, say, you know, 2013–14, 2017–18, and then the COVID cycle. Does this cycle we're in right now feel to you like — or, you know, your crystal ball — that it's a lot more like the COVID cycle?
And, if that's the case, do you think that it's reasonable to think, you know, your rates up, call it high single digits for the year this year, and then you can get to, like, mid-teens next year? I'm just — you know, and I guess in COVID, you probably got even more than that over two years. But, you know, your best look on how this cycle plays out, maybe from a, kind of, you know, to your base, to your perspective. Thank you.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Yes. I want to refrain from giving any kind of future guidance beyond what we gave for third quarter. You know, what I would tell you is, again, this cycle feels a bit different because it's more supply-driven than demand. And so, as I mentioned, when it's driven by demand, I think rate can come even faster, but it can be fleeting when that demand shifts like we saw during COVID. I think the rate will progress and it may be a little bit slower than previous cycles in how it progresses, but I think it's going to be more durable.
The real question: if we start to get demand, if you get some good seasonality in a fourth quarter and that can continue into next year, then I think you layer that on top of the supply constraints — and what I think is going to continue — then, yeah, you're in a place where you could see rate move at a very rapid pace. But, you know, I think there's still a lot of things that have to play out for that to come into effect. So right now it's, hey, we're giving guidance as we have for the third quarter.
We don't have guidance out for fourth. But I could tell you I feel pretty bullish about how that could play out, but I don't know that I'd put a number to it yet. Tom, it's still kind of early innings on that.
Tom Wadowitz, Analyst at UBS
Would you compare it to a prior cycle? I mean, I guess you're saying it's rates happening a little slower. To me, it feels like rates happening really fast. So I don't know — I mean, do you think it's fair to compare it to the COVID cycle, or you don't want to do that?
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
I guess what I would say: during the COVID cycle, rates happened really fast because, you know, customers had all these sales that they were potentially losing if they didn't move the goods, right? And they had a lot of incremental demand. Right. So it's — you know, we've seen rates move. We saw this thing turn over a quarter ago — well over that — and we didn't really start to see the real impact here until probably the late second quarter. I believe that's going to continue. I think it's somewhat like a 2018 where you had, you know, ELDs that went into effect that restrained capacity. But I feel like this is going to be even more durable than that. We've just never seen the FMCSA and the DOT with the push that they're making on cleaning up our industry and taking the non-compliant or the bad actors out of it. So I don't think this cycle is anything I can really compare to over the past, other than I feel like it's going to be more durable based on what this administration is doing.
And I do feel like it probably raises the floor of where rates can go to when you have — obviously when the cycle begins to turn the other direction — assuming we don't go back to allowing maybe some bad actors into our space.
Tom Wadowitz, Analyst at UBS
Great, thank you.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
And since I know we got disconnected for a minute there, I think we'll do one more question, and then I think we got to jump for follow-ups here.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Richa Harnane with Deutsche Bank. Richa, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Richa Harnane, Analyst at Deutsche Bank
Hi, thanks for squeezing me in, guys. Okay, so just some clarification questions. I'll try to make it quick. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but just the guidance — revenue up only mid single digits, that's ex fuel in Q3 year over year. Rates should be up more than that. So is utilization going to be down again year over year, and is that leading to the more muted top line, I assume? And then, you know, you still have OR improving 700 bps. So, without as much utilization, what's — I would just want to understand better what's driving that strong operating leverage assumption.
Is it just rate or are there, you know, big cost-out actions embedded? And then, lastly, on the question regarding driver pay — I think you said, you know, Adam, in the past on these calls at the high end something like 30% of rate is typically shared with drivers in an upcycle. Is that a good rule of thumb to consider this cycle, or given all the creativity — you know, Andrew, I think you described it pretty well — you're taking on to improve, you know, conditions for drivers or whatever.
Maybe it could be less than that. Just trying to understand on that nuance. Thanks.
Adam Miller, Chief Executive Officer
Well, that was a long question to squeeze in there, Richa, but we'll try to do our best to cover that. So, on the driver pay front, I know I shared that that's what we've done historically. I don't feel like we're in a position right now that that's what we would — with the rate that we're picking up, we're going to have to take more of that rate to improve the margin because of where that starting point is. So it's going to be, you know, much on the lower end of that or even below the low end that we typically do with that 25% to 30%, because the driver pay as a percentage of revenue has crept up over the years because we haven't reduced driver pay while we've seen rate, you know, reduce. And so we're going to have to get some of that back. So I would not model that much flowing through to driver pay based on the rate that we pick up. You know, I think we talked quite a bit about the guidance there. From a miles-per-tractor standpoint, I mean, we think that's pretty flat sequentially. We do expect rate to continue to build, and as Andrew mentioned, the dedicated piece of the business — that will take more time to build as you go through contracts as they renew.
And so we'll have some opportunity there, but that'll be a slower part of it. But on the over-the-road side of the business, we expect to see that momentum continue to build for the business.
Andrew Hess (Chief Financial Officer)
So just to be clear, we guided the truck count to be relatively stable into Q3, but we're lower than last year. So you were comparing year over year — that's also contributing to the revenue number. But utilization is going to be relatively in line.
Richa Harnane, Analyst at Deutsche Bank
Perfect. Thank you.
Brad Stewart, Treasurer and SVP of Investor Relations
Okay. Well, we appreciate you hanging with us. I know we had some disruption on the call, but appreciate you staying with us. Gillian, I don't know if you have anything else to close out.
Gillian Robinson, Operator
No. That concludes today's call. Everyone, thank you so much for attending. You may now disconnect.
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