Ameriprise Finl (NYSE:AMP) released first-quarter financial results and hosted an earnings call on Thursday. Read the complete transcript below.
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Summary
Ameriprise Finl reported a strong start to 2026 with adjusted operating revenues up 11% to $4.8 billion and EPS up 19% to $11.26, showcasing robust financial performance.
The company's assets under management, administration, and advisement grew by 12% to $1.7 trillion, driven by client net inflows and positive market conditions.
Ameriprise Finl continues to invest in technology and AI to enhance advisor productivity and client engagement, with the introduction of new banking products and the expansion of the advisor-focused tech platform.
The acquisition of Huntington Bank's retail investment program is expected to add 260 advisors and $28 billion in assets, emphasizing strategic growth and partnership.
Management remains disciplined in capital allocation, with 88% of operating earnings returned to shareholders and a 6% dividend increase, indicating strong shareholder value focus.
Full Transcript
Jael (Operator)
Welcome to the Q1 2026 earnings call. My name is Jael and I will be your conference operator for today's call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. During the question and answer session, if you have a question, please press Star one on your touchtone phone. As a reminder, the conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Stephanie Raby. Stephanie, you may begin.
Stephanie Raby
Welcome to Ameriprise Financial's first quarter earnings call. On the call with me today are Jim Cracciolo, Chairman and CEO and Walter Berman, Chief Financial Officer. Following their remarks, we'd be happy to take your questions turning to our earnings presentation materials that are available on our website. On slide 2 you will see a discussion of forward looking statements. Specifically during the call you'll hear references to various non GAAP financial measures which we believe provide insight into the company's operations. Reconciliation of non GAAP numbers to their respective GAAP numbers can be found in today's materials and on our website at www.ir.ameriprise.com. Some statements that we make on this call may be forward looking Reflecting management's expectations about future events and overall operating plans and performance, these forward looking statements speak only as of today's date and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. A sample list of factors and risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from forward looking statements can be found in our first quarter 2026 earnings release, our 2025 annual report to shareholders and our 2025 10K report. We make no obligation to publicly update or revise these forward looking statements. On slide 3, you see our GAAP financial results at the top of the page for the first quarter. Below that you see our adjusted operating results, which management believes enhances the understanding of our business by reflecting the underlying performance of our core operations and facilitates a more meaningful trend analysis. Many of the comments that management makes on the call today will focus on adjusted operating results and with that I'll turn it over to Jim
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
Good afternoon and thanks for joining us. As you saw in our earnings release, Ameriprise delivered a strong start to the year driven by our disciplined execution and the benefits of our diversified business. While the first quarter was marked by ongoing market volatility and economic uncertainty contributing to a more cautious client behavior, our value proposition continued to clearly differentiate us across our firm. We remain deeply engaged with clients and delivered excellent Financial performance. We're focused on maintaining a high quality, well positioned business while continuing to invest and innovate to support dynamics long term client relationships. Our business generates consistent earnings across market cycles. Equally important, we maintain a disciplined approach to capital allocation that enables Ameriprise to deliver strong value to shareholders. For the quarter, adjusted operating revenues up 11% to $4.8 billion. Earnings and EPS were also up double digits with EPS up 19% to a record $11.26. And we continue to deliver best in class ROE which increased to more than 54%. In addition, our assets on the management administration advisement grew 12% to $1.7 trillion driven by our client net inflows and positive markets. The consistency of these results reflect the strength of our integrated business and the benefits of our approach. Very clearly, Ameriprise is distinguished by the compelling experience we deliver to both clients and advisors across our firm. We remain focused on serving client needs and best interests exceptionally well. That differentiation is reflected on a consistently earnings excellent client satisfaction which continues to be 4.9 out of 5 and also by the recognition our firm receives year after year. On the advisor side, our distinctive value proposition drives sustainable practice growth, higher productivity and recurring revenue over time. Turning to our results, total client assets grew 12% to $1.1 trillion with wrap assets growing 16% to $664 billion in the quarter. We were lighter on flows based on more cautious client behavior and some lumpiness in recruiting and terminations. We ended the quarter with $6 billion of wrap net inflows. Importantly, underlying activity was good for the quarter. We kept clients closely engaged and delivered strong Transactional activity up 10%. Our cash business remains stable with nearly $30 billion in suite balances. As you saw, our advisors again generated meaningful productivity and revenue growth, with productivity increasing another 10% in the quarter to a record $1.2 million per advisor. Our strategy remains grounded in organic growth built, not bought. Advisors consistently value Ameriprise for the depth of our value proposition and the strength of our partnership. We continue to prioritize our core Advisor team productivity and we complement it by recruiting high quality advisors who view us as a strategic partner supporting strong client outcomes and practice growth. 61 advisors joined during the quarter and were seeing a pickup of activity in the second quarter and in AFIg we continue to expand this channel as a premier platform for banks and credit unions. During the quarter we signed a multi year agreement to become the retail investment program provider for Huntington Bank. This relationship is expected to add approximately 260 advisors and $28 billion in assets with onboarding beginning later this year. Huntington selected Ameriprise for our leadership and advice, strong culture and capabilities as we shared, we consistently invest across our firm to meet client needs today and further strengthen the business for the future. These are intentional multi year investments across technology systems and new capabilities. We're focused on clear, high impact outcomes that deepen engagement, deliver relevant and actionable information while enabling highly personalized quality experiences. In particular, we've designed our tech platform around how advisors work, not individual tools. It connects multiple capabilities like our CRM platform E meeting advice, insights and practice workflows into an intelligent ecosystem enhanced with embedded AI and automation. To that end, we feel good about the progress we're making. Our focus is on using AI and intelligent automation capabilities at scale to help advisors deliver a consistent, high quality client experience while improving how they operate day to day in terms of investments and solutions. After the initial launch of our signature Wealth UMA MID last year, we now expanding the product capabilities and seeing positive early asset movement and engagement. There is meaningful upside as we continue to expand capabilities including the introduction of SMAs and as we broaden the strategy set over time with regard to our bank solutions which complement our overall offering. Bank assets now exceed $25 billion with continued strength in pledge lending. With the recent introduction of products including HELOCs and checking accounts, we now offer a complete suite. As we reach more of our advisors and clients, we expect this will present opportunities to bring additional assets to our firm. To close out AWM, we received new recognition in the quarter for the 2026 J.D. power US Investor Satisfaction Study, Ameriprise ranked third out of 23 firms overall, a terrific result that underscores the quality of the experience we deliver. Turning to our retirement and protection business, as advisors deliver more comprehensive advice, they are thoughtfully incorporating annuity and insurance solutions to address clients increasingly complex needs. Sales were solid in the quarter, supported by by continued demand across annuities and annuities and variable products. In addition to meeting client needs, this business continues to generate attractive margins and consistent earnings over time, but RiverSource again recognized as one of the most profitable insurers in the industry. Moving to asset management, Assets under management and advisement increased 8% year over year to $706 billion in the quarter. Investment performance remains a strength. More than 70% of our funds are performing above the peer medium over 1, 3 and 5 year periods and 85% are above the medium over 10 years. This sustained performance continues to be recognized externally in the most recent Barron's Best Fund Family rankings, Columbia Threadneedle placed in the top 10 across all time periods and our US fixed income team recently earned four 2026 Lipper awards. Importantly, net outflows improved significantly year over year to $5.9 billion, reflecting better trends across both retail and institutional channels. Gross retail sales in North America continue to improve, up 26% even in a volatile market environment and we're seeing nice sales within Ameriprise from good initial sales and signature wealth. Retail flows and EMEA also improved, however they were impacted by headwinds from the geopolitical volatility during the quarter. On the product side, we continue to advance our strategy across ETFs, SMAs and alternatives with a clear focus on scale, consistency and performance. Our ETF platform surpassed $10 billion in assets under management supported by a differentiated offering across North America and emea. In smas, we benefit from long standing track records and remain a top 10 provider with continued positive flows in alternatives. Our technology and healthcare hedge fund strategies delivered strong performance and sales momentum and we see good opportunities ahead. Consistent with our approach in wealth management, we're applying advanced analytics and technology within asset management, including in investment research where these capabilities are contributing real value. At the same time, we're transforming how we leverage our global platform. We're driving greater efficiency across the front, middle and back office while continuing to strengthen our data foundation. We're also making good progress on back office outsourcing with a substantial portion of the conversion expected to be completed later this year. These initiatives complement our broader efforts to streamline systems and support operating leverage over time. Now for Ameriprise overall, our focus is having a premium branded, client focused business that delivers strong financial performance and attractive returns. Over the past year we have achieved record earnings and generated best in class return on equity now exceeding 54%. As I mentioned, given this performance and our current valuation, we continue to view our shares as an attractive buying opportunity. As a result, as you know, we increased our share repurchases in the fourth quarter and continued our strong return to shareholders with 88% returned in the first quarter and our board just approved another 6% increase in our dividend. Ameriprise is built to perform across market cycles. We're well positioned to deliver meaningful value over time, manage risk responsibly and generate resilient performance. Before I close, I want to highlight the iconic Ameriprise reputation which remains an important competitive advantage. We are proud to have a company that continues to be widely recognized in the marketplace for who we are and how we operate in the minds of consumers, employees and investors. Ameriprise has been named one of America's most trustworthy companies in 2026 by Newsweek and from Fortune. Ameriprise is also one of America's most innovative companies for 2026, affirming our leadership in technology and driving transformational change. In closing, Ameriprise offers a differentiated combination of an excellent client and advisor, value proposition, sustainable profitable growth and attractive capital return. With that, I'll turn it over to Walter to discuss our financials in more detail.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Thank you, Jim. Ameriprise delivered strong financial results in the quarter with adjusted operating earnings per share up 19% to $11.26 and an operating margin of 28%. These results reflected the strength of our diversified earnings profile and the operating leverage embedded in our businesses as well as the return from significant investments we have continued to make. Our ability to generate attractive growth and margins across cycles underscores the durability of our platform and the discipline we bring to execution. Total assets under management, administration and advisement increased 12% to 1.7 trillion which coupled with strong client engagement drove an 11% increase in revenues to 4.8 billion. In the quarter, we returned 88% of operating earnings to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. Our balance sheet remains exceptionally strong with 2.3 billion of both excess capital holding company available liquidity. Let's turn to wealth management Financials on slide 6. Adjusted operating net revenues increased 14% to 3.2 billion. The core distribution business is performing well given the value of our planning model and the multiple touch points we have with the client to meet their needs holistically. Our fee based and transaction revenues remain quite strong increasing 17% benefiting from growth in client assets and higher activity levels. In addition, our bank revenues increased 6% from business growth including the expansion of our lending products while revenues from cash sweep and certificates declined. Adjusted operating expenses in the quarter increased 12% with distribution expenses up 14%. I will note that advisor compensation within distribution expenses increased in line with the revenues advisors generate. G and A expenses were a 4% primarily driven by volume and growth related expenses including investments in signature wealth and banking products. This level was consistent with our expectations pre tax adjusted operating earnings increased 20% to 951 million with continued strong contribution from core distribution and core cash earnings. In the quarter, Comerica exercised their option for early termination of your relationship with us. This resulted in a one time 25 million make whole payment for onboarding cost and future earnings which finalized all payments that were due to us for this termination. Excluding this benefit, earnings increased 17%. Our core distribution earnings grew in the mid-30s 30% range, benefiting from higher client assets and advisory fees as well as strong activity levels. The strong level of core distribution earnings that we generated is unique relative to other independent wealth managers and demonstrates our focus ensuring that our growth is profitable. Bank earnings grew 6% in the quarter while certificate earnings declined. In total, core cash earnings were essentially flat from a year ago. We continue to take actions to build the bank portfolio in a way that supports stable earnings contributions going forward. The overall bank has a yield of 4.6% with a four year duration with now only 7% of the portfolio in floating rate securities. In the quarter, new purchases at the bank were 1.9 billion at a yield of 5% with a 4.1 year duration. Last, our aggregate margins remained excellent at 30% up from 28% a year ago. Underlying that, our core distribution margin is over 20% with a solid contribution from cash. Let's turn to slide 7. Advice and wealth management generated solid asset growth in the quarter. Client assets grew 12% to 1.1 trillion and wrap assets increased 16% to 664 billion driven by solid organic growth, stronger buys of productivity and equity market appreciation. Our new signature wealth program continues to gain momentum and a significant portion of the assets are new money to ameriprise. Client flows were 4.2 billion and rap flows were 6 billion in the quarter. This reflected several moving pieces that I will explain. Same store sales levels remain strong and consistent aside from the normal seasonal impacts and climb caution resulting from volatility in the quarter. However, in the quarter we had some lumpiness in our flows caused by a combination of the aggressive recruiting environment which drove higher advisor departures as well as the acceleration of Comerica Advisors departing as a result of their acquisition. We anticipate the higher pace of outflows related to Comerica will continue in the second and third quarters, culminating with the conversion occurring near the end of the third quarter. While we have significant capacity to recruit, the recruiting deals we are seeing today in this perceived risk on environment exceed what we believe is a balanced risk return approach. Given the long cash paybacks and marginal P and L benefits over the extended life of these arrangements. We will continue to evaluate the facts and circumstances, whether for recruiting or retention, to assess the trade offs between sustained profitability versus flows and associated risk. This approach will ensure decisions are driving sustained shareholder value creation. Lastly, I will note that in the latter part of the quarter we've seen improving trends as we look ahead. The addition of Huntington bank is anticipated in the fourth quarter and will bring approximately 260 of ours and 28 billion of client assets onto our platform. Separately, we are further enhancing our advisor succession strategies for both internal and external advisors, including expanding and leveraging Ameriprise's personal wealth group, our centralized advisor group, as a potential secession option. Let's turn to slide 8. Advisor Wealth Management generated solid productivity growth. Our advisor productivity continues to grow, reaching a new high of 1.2 million, up 10% year over year, driven by strong growth in wrap assets and related fees as well as enhancements to advisor efficiency from the integrated tools, technology and support we provide. In addition, transactional activity remains strong, increasing 10% compared to the prior year. This is primarily from nice growth in annuity products and brokerage transactions. Total client cash of 86 billion was essentially flat year over year and sequentially bank assets increased 6% year over year to 25.5 billion, with the bank representing a stable source of earnings going forward. Cash rebalances decreased slightly to 29.4 billion compared to 29.9 billion in the prior quarter, which is consistent with the seasonal tax pattern we would expect to see. Certificate balances declined to 7.6 billion from 8.2 billion in the prior quarter. Given the interest rate environment, we continue to have elevated cash balances in third party money market funds at nearly 48 billion. We have seen that decline for the first time in January and February, but with the volatility later in the quarter, we saw cash levels build modestly again. This remains an important opportunity when rates decline to see these cash balances deployed into other products on the platform. Turning to asset management on slide 9, financial results were strong in the quarter. Operating earnings increased 13% to $273 million. Results reflected asset growth and the positive impact from transformation initiatives. Total assets under management advisement increased to 706 billion, up 8% year over year from higher ending market levels. As Jim mentioned, net outflows improved in the quarter. Revenues increased 8% to 910 million and the underlying fee rate remained stable at approximately 47 basis points. Expenses increased 5% in total in the quarter. General and Administrative expenses were up 4% driven by volume related expenses and unfavorable foreign exchange. Translation margin reached 44% in the quarter, which is above our target range of 35 to 39%. Let's turn to Slide 10. Retirement and Protection solutions continue to deliver strong earnings and free cash flow generation, reflecting the high quality of the business that was built over a long period of time. Pre tax adjusted operating earnings was 190 million, which reflected higher distribution expenses associated with strong sales levels and continued outflows from variable annuities with living benefits partially offset by higher equity market levels. However, we continue to expect earnings over time to be in the 800 million range per year. This business has excellent risk adjusted returns and continues to be an important part of AWM's client value proposition. Turning to the balance sheet on slide 11, balance sheet fundamentals and free cash flow generation remain strong which is a core to our ability to invest for growth on a sustainable basis while also continuing to return capital to shareholders. We have an excellent excess capital position of 2.3 billion, we have 2.3 billion of available liquidity, our asset liabilities are well matched and our investment portfolio is diversified and high quality. We have no exposure to middle market lending directly or through funds and BDCs in our owned assets. Similarly, we have limited direct exposure to broadly syndicated loans in our own assets. A disciplined capital return is a key element of our ability to consistently generate strong long term shareholder value. In the quarter we returned 936 million of capital to shareholders which was 88% of operating earnings. This included the opportunistic repurchase of 1.6 million shares to take advantage of the decline in our PE multiple in the quarter, we also raised the quarterly dividend by 6%. These actions are a demonstration of the confidence we have in our continued free cash flow generation and commitment to return capital to shareholders as we go through 2026. Our strong foundation coupled with our ERM capabilities and decisioning framework position us well to continue vesting for growth and a targeted way and return capital to shareholders at a differentiated pace. In summary on Slide 12, Ameriprise delivered solid results in the first quarter. Over the last 12 months, revenues grew 8%, adjusted EPS increased 12%, return on equity grew 140 basis points and we returned 3.6 billion of capital to shareholders. We had similar growth trends over the past five years with 9% compounded annual revenue growth, 20% compounded annual EPS growth, return on equity improving over 17 percentage points and we returned $14 billion of capital to shareholders. These trends are consistent over the long term as well. We have an excellent foundation and capacity moving forward that enables consistent and sustained profitable growth. With that, we will take your questions.
OPERATOR
Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press Star one on your touchtone phone. If you wish to be removed from the queue, simply press Star one again. If you're using a speakerphone, you may need to pick up your handset first before pressing the numbers once again. If you have a question, please press Star one on your Touchstone phone. Your first question comes from the line of Wilma Burtis of Rimmond James. Your line is open.
Wilma Burtis (Analyst at Rimmond James)
Hey, good afternoon. First question, why didn't Ameriprise lean in more to return more than 88% of operating earnings in 1Q26, especially given the stock was back to kind of lower levels at certain points? And should we expect two Q26 capital return levels more in line with four Q25 if the stock stays at the current level? Thanks.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Okay, you can. As we indicated, we will be buying back 85 to 90%. Certainly, looking at the P/E ratio and where we are right now, that it's a reasonable expectation that we would take advantage of that and be purchased up to the higher number and then evaluated, because we certainly have the capacity to do that and invest in the business continually.
Wilma Burtis (Analyst at Rimmond James)
Okay, thank you. And could you quantify the outflows from the Comerica Advisors just to help us arrive at a more normalized net flow number for 1q26? And along the similar lines, if you could talk about the remainder of the year, should we expect additional outflows from Comerica and talk a little bit about the Huntington bank inflow expectations. Thanks.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Okay, so the EcoAmerica outflow started, as relates to the acquisition in the fourth quarter and certainly continued in the first. They were a reasonable portion of the outflows that we had. We are certainly seeing, because of the acquisition, a more accelerated pattern. We expect that pattern to continue and accelerate actually in the second and third quarter. And as I indicated, based on our current plans, it should. We should finalize the contract by the end of the third quarter. And it's. Yes, that's the level. It's certainly we're seeing that activity. Well, the contract was executed and finalized, and so any financial impact from that is already in what we collected. So. So we're fine. But those flows will continue to come out and they'll be complete at the end of September, I think. And then Huntington will come in in the fourth quarter, and that will be moved in in the fourth quarter. And that would be, as I indicated, about $28 billion.
Wilma Burtis (Analyst at Rimmond James)
Okay, thank you.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Brennan Hawken of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Brennan Hawken (Analyst at BMO Capital Markets)
Hey, good afternoon, Jim and Walter. Thanks for taking my question. I'd like to follow up on that last one. So I'd like To get a mark to market on Comerica I believe it was 18 billion of assets. I think he said that it started to come out in the fourth quarter. You saw a little this quarter and you expect some the next two. I know you just chose not to quantify but is it reasonable just to take that 18 and kind of like allocate it across four quarters and call it a day or will there be some lumpiness in concentration in particular quarters? Thanks.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
It's hard to know exactly what that trend line. I mean it really, really this is fifth, third has taken over the activity. I think from our perspective just so we know the deal was concluded. That's why, you know, after receiving back what we needed to receive back in the compensation and the reimbursements, et cetera, we booked the 20 some odd million in the quarter for a make whole and so it might, it will come through the flows but the impact financially to us is immaterial. And so but we can't give exactly how they'll transfer it but when we're mentioning it is in the flow and maybe as we go forward we'll try to break things to be a little clearer on it but that's, you know, I can't sit here to tell you exactly what will come out quarter to quarter. Yeah, no, no. Assume that all of it will be out by the end of the third quarter. Yeah. So clearly again we are seeing because we are getting certainly advisors giving us notice on terminations and that's why I say it is, it's built up and like Jim said we can't really predict the amount but we are certainly seeing heavier activity take place in the first and starting now in the second quarter.
Brennan Hawken (Analyst at BMO Capital Markets)
Okay, but is my 18 billion at least right.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
That in total correct? Absolutely. Sorry, we didn't answer that.
Brennan Hawken (Analyst at BMO Capital Markets)
Yeah. Okay, cool. And, and then you know, obviously it does, it doesn't matter, you're made whole all that. It just helps to know what the amount of noise is so that people can get to an.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
We understand and we'll try to be clearer as we go forward.
Brennan Hawken (Analyst at BMO Capital Markets)
Yeah, thank you that appreciate it. Okay. And, and then there's a lot of focus within the wealth space on the cash and whether or not these AI tools are going to allow for optimization of cash. It's not a huge central feature for you guys in your business model but how are you thinking about that as you move forward? I know you've got the bank as part of the strategy now but you know, have you considered looking at some of these tools within your own network. And how are you considering that development that's likely to come down the pike? Thanks for taking my question.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
Good question. So first and foremost, and I think Walter tried to give you some further information of the cash contribution as we looked at it for this quarter as we reported. And you can see cash adds a certain amount to our margin, but the bulk of our earnings and profitability is from the real wealth management part of that component with the fees and the transactions and things that we conduct on behalf of the clients. Our transaction revenue from the sweep, as we said, is a very, very small part. It's only a few percent. And so from our perspective, it's not the bulk of our earnings, number one. And honestly I don't know why that people wouldn't look at the core margin and give it even more valuation than where people are making all of their earnings from cash. Now in our case, what we tried to do is then develop the bank in a way that we can add value added from both lending activities and savings programs that will be ramp up with it even on checking and activities. But the amount of cash that will still be in transaction, whether AI assisted or not, will it's so low that money will be moving in and out to do that just like a basic checking account to some extent from looking at it, we already provide so much in capability and ease for our advisors to do that on behalf of their clients, with their clients. That that's why our cash levels that we maintain is on average 100 bucks. So we're not as concerned with it. And if there are other capabilities that come about that make sense, we will look at them. But we're not looking at that as a major change to what's being held there.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
So just let me emphasize again as we our average balance now is $6,000. We as Jim said, very active and certainly it's at transactional levels that meet that minimum standard in the account. So again we are constantly evaluating it, but I think we're at a very good level and the percentage of our earnings that come from cash is certainly at the level that is probably lower than most of our peers and therefore certainly manageable because we've had that balance.
Brennan Hawken (Analyst at BMO Capital Markets)
Yep, all fair. Thanks very much for taking my question.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Michael Cypress of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Michael Cypress (Analyst at Morgan Stanley)
Thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to ask about the bank with the new initiatives that you have across lending savings. Hopefully you could elaborate on how those are contributing today. Realize it's early days I was hoping you could talk about the steps you're taking to drive broader engagement, how you see that ramping and what are some of the other initiatives you guys are thinking about in the coming quarters?
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
Thank you for the question. So the one that we had launched previously that is growing nicely and there's still a very large opportunity for us is pledge and as more of our advisors get familiar with it and activate their activities around it. So that's the one that's probably the one that's a little more mature in our channel. But the opportunity compared to someone like a Morgan Stanley and others, there's a lot more opportunity for us there that we are focused on. We just completed the launch of the checking account which is always a core component of banking. And that in complement with things like HELOCs, mortgages and now some of the savings programs. We're starting to now ramp that up as we start to get that out to advisers and also have that, you know, types of information for the client to access. And so this is at the early stages of what we think we can do there. We see some early signs as we did some initial launches with advisors and they like what we providing and the benefits. So we're hoping that this becomes a much stronger contribution as we go. But we're at the early stages of it.
Michael Cypress (Analyst at Morgan Stanley)
And then just as a follow up question on AI, I was hoping you could update us on the AI tools that you have available for advisors today. How you see that evolving over the next year or so and where do you see some of the biggest opportunities? How meaningful could this be as you think about advisor productivity and ultimately efficiency saves for Ameriprise.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
Yeah. So you know, I know AI has come up and every time someone comes out with a new tool or say that they have some kind of service. So let me give you a little and I try to in my, my talking points and opening. We view AI as more of an extension of our total technology strategy that we've been building for many years. After all, it's not a standalone initiative. What differentiates what we're trying to do is that these capabilities are embedded in an integrated platform built around how advisors work, supported by the Data foundation, which is very critical in a highly regulated business and the governance for it. Now the integration allows us to deploy AI directly into everyday workflows across advice ops service. And rather than layering it as a tool in a fragmented system, the result is greater efficiency, better insights and more time that our advisors can really spend on the client relationships which actually drives the Outcomes that you're looking for. In the near term we see productivity gains and selective automation. Longer term we see capabilities supporting the growth by enabling advisors to serve more clients with higher standards of advice. Now that's embedded, as I've said previously, into many of the tools and capabilities that we have. And so you know, if you look at things like client acquisition, meeting planning, meeting schedule, meeting preparation, goal based device, the products and solutions, meeting follow up and summarization and business planning, those are the things that we've embedded in the tools. So our E Meeting as an example capability that's already integrated can pull all the data from Advisor engagement with the client, the past cases that they in the opportunities that we get from Advisor Insight so that they can say what's the next thing? Possibly the client may be interested based on where they are in their financial situation. So that's what we do and will continue to enhance over time. We'll introduce more AI agents to do some of the actual advisor work, whether it's necessary or appropriate to ease and give them more productivity rather than adding more staff. So those are the things we're embedding from the Advisor, but we also do that from a company perspective. And so does that help you understand how we're thinking?
Michael Cypress (Analyst at Morgan Stanley)
Yes, that's helpful. Just curious if you're able to quantify any of the productivity gains that you've seen so far.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
You know, I would say it's at the we see clear productivity where advisors have enabled it. We see as an example, our meeting takes away hours of work within an advisor practice every week. Okay. We haven't extrapolated what advisors then do with that productivity, but those are things that we will try to figure out the metrics appropriate for them.
Michael Cypress (Analyst at Morgan Stanley)
Great, thank you.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Sunit Kamath of Jefferies. Your line is open.
Sunit Kamath (Analyst at Jefferies)
Great, thanks. Good evening. I wanted to come back to AWM Organic Growth. If I remember correctly, last quarter, I think you guys expressed some confidence in the 4 to 5% target for the year. I think 3/4 now we've been talking about increased competition. You're talking about it again now. But based on what you're seeing, do you still think you can achieve that 4 to 5% this year or is the increase in competition that you're talking about sort of taking you off that glide path?
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Okay, so let's break it for the what we talk about the organic the same store. We are seeing good growth. Yes. The area that deviates on that is on the attrition side of it. And certainly in this quarter, Coamerica certainly contributed towards that. And that's the variable that affects when you look at these arrangements that are being offered at this stage, both on the attrition side and then on the recruiting side. But the solid core of our growth is there and that's. We feel very comfortable with. And then managing the net on the. On the inorganic is the element that deviates. So the answer is certainly, as you saw in last quarter, we were up, this quarter is down. It's going to be one of these things that could be like to use the word lumpy, but that's exactly what it is. As we manage through it, depending on how aggressive we see the environment and then how we gauge the appropriateness of responding on that basis. But our objective, yes, because we think that is a good job because the core is solid. Now it's a matter of the implication of it as it relates to aggressive bidding on the recruiting side or on retention.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
You know, it's sort of funny because people, I mean, I know how much focus is on this metric, but you think about it. So as an example for us, our core assets and all that grew strongly over the year and we generated the revenue from it that translated into real profitability. We brought to the bottom line. You know, you can always add growth. You can do. For instance, we're, I would call an appropriate acquirer. But we would never pay way more on an acquisition for a business just because we want to grow our size. If we don't see a good appropriate return over time, advisors like that will take a big check. It doesn't mean they'll stay with you after that check is up in some fashion. So what you want to do is recruit people that know that you can help add value and give them a good practice support, development and really a good strong client value proposition. And so our firm stands out in that regard. Our client satisfaction. The idea of the. One of the most trusted firms out there, you know, if you look at some of the players out there, they don't register. And so it depends on what you want to play in. In our case, we could, we have a lot of capital, as you know, to buy up. We could buy some of these firms. We can put advisors on it. We don't look at that. So best way for us to grow our business to deliver a strong premium value and really have a good culture of the type of advisors that we really think are important, important to work with clients. And so that's what we do. And listen, some of Our advisors will take a big check, especially when they know it's more value than what it's pertaining to. So, but just like in the four quarter, Walters say we attracted more in than last. In the first quarter, we had a little more not so on the number, but the size. And now our pipeline's ramping up again for the second quarter. So to Walter's point, that will be a little bumpy. But the underneath it of where we focus productivity growth across 10,000 is what we think will drive true profitability.
Sunit Kamath (Analyst at Jefferies)
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, and I get it that people sometimes overindex to one number in one quarter. So obviously strong last quarter.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
No, I know you. I appreciate you asking the question, honestly. Thank you. Yeah.
Sunit Kamath (Analyst at Jefferies)
My other question, I just wanted to drill into this AFIG opportunity and I'll just tell you the way I'm thinking about it and maybe get your response. So it seems like the costs of being in this business are going to go up. Maybe AI helps that, maybe it actually adds to that. Who knows? But if you have these banks out there that want to be in the wealth management business but don't want to make the investments that are required, it seems to me that that's just that plays into your hand in terms of this AFIG opportunity and that we'll likely see more of these. And I just want to make sure that I'm thinking about it. Right?
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
You're thinking about 100%, correct. Let me give an example. Don't. When we spoke to Huntington bank, they kicked the tires and they were out there looking at who would be the best provider, et cetera. Their goal is having excellent banking complemented by this. And they knew that they wanted to focus their energies with this being of where they can get the type of support, the capabilities, the culture, the environment to deliver great for their clients. And so they kick the tires on any other firm out there. And they clearly chose us for those reasons. We think we'll have a great partnership. Comerica actually was working fabulously for the bank. You can speak to their chief executive who's now stepped down. The people who headed their wealth management. We helped them grow. Their advisors, the productivity advisors, love us, would love to stay. So it's not that we lost the business. Fifth Third purchased them and they wanted to keep it with what they're operating. So, you know, I think that capability is there. And I think as people understand what we provide them, I think there'll be a lot more opportunities, opportunity for us. One of those is really the deepening of the relationship is what we do with our clients and certainly they recognize our capability doing that with their bank clients.
OPERATOR
Okay, thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Crispin Love, of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)
Thank you. Good afternoon. Appreciate taking my question. So just first, the operating margins in the asset management business, very strong and 44% in the quarter. Are the expense management actions from that segment complete or still ongoing. And then any other key call outs for the market strength and is that level sustainable or would you expect to trend back to your that 35 to 39% targeted range?
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
So the transformation certainly is working its way through and the back office transformation is really not taken hold yet. So that you'll see as it goes through and as part of the way we operate, you'll see continual, certainly transformation and streamlining of that. But again also you see the operating expenses go up because of volume and other related things. But yes, we are certainly committed to the transformation and improvement of our processes and getting the benefit of that. And the biggest one right now is that the back office has not worked its way through the numbers yet.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
Yeah. And we are advancing, we're extending our product line, ETFs, SMAs, et cetera. We're adding other capabilities. And so I think we're trying to, we will continue to drive the progress on how we leverage our global platform we put in place with the back office being. But at the same time we are investing. So we'll keep the expense base in check and hopefully that will continue to maintain good margins.
Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)
Perfect, thank you. And then just on the Huntington bank, when you announced earlier in the quarter, can you just give a little bit more color there was this a competitive takeaway and just a little overview on the process or competition to get this win and how long did it take to get over the finish line? How long were you working on that one?
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
No, this was actually Huntington bank ran their own activities, broke a deal, et cetera. And so they were very careful because they did not want, want to give up that unless they had someone that would really provide what they were looking for and take it to another level for them. And so those things are very important because we love clients that really care about their, their clients. And it processes over a year, by the way.
Crispin Love (Analyst at Piper Sandler)
Great, thank you. Appreciate taking my questions.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Chewback of Wolf Research. Your line is open.
Stephen Chewback (Analyst at Wolf Research)
Hi, good evening Jim and Walter and thanks for taking my questions. So wanted to double click a little bit into the discussion around NNA and appreciate the disciplined approach to recruitment, the reluctance to chase given the more aggressive TA packages in the market. Our channel checks indicate that TA rates have been and should remain relatively sticky and just want to better understand one, how that informs your outlook for core NNA over the course of the year. So exit noise related to Comerica, but also the interplay with the distribution expense, which surprised positively and declined about 100bps year on year. I'm sorry, on that one. Just repeat, I hate to do that. I'm sorry, I just didn't get the essence of it. Oh, just trying to understand like the interplay with core NNA expectations over the remainder of the year, recognizing that TA rates should be sticky and that the distribution expense was also a big source of positive surprise in the quarter and presumably that should be lower if you're not at least chasing some of these more aggressive packages in the marketplace.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Well, again, we've been fairly stable on that rate as you saw. And yes it does. We will continue to certainly it's not that we're not going to compete and certainly the. We've told you before we will move up in our tolerances. So but I would say that you should see that number pretty much stay in that range as it relates to as we go through the year and we would participate both on the basis of, you know, where appropriate, increase our compensation for it, but it's pretty much going to be in that range. Okay, I'm sorry, I want to make sure.
Stephen Chewback (Analyst at Wolf Research)
No, no, that, that is, I think it's really also about the interplay around NNA expectations. I know you touched on a little bit with an earlier question.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
As I said on the nna, the core is there. Certainly we're going to see and Co America is going to play through that. But the issue there is the core is there and when we certainly it's on recruitment, those elements should marginally affect it going up, but it should be aligned with our objective set to certainly as relates to NNA and that correlation to that rate. Yeah. Because the bulk of our activity is organic, so it should be pretty stable.
Stephen Chewback (Analyst at Wolf Research)
Got it. And just for my follow up on signature wealth, you highlight really strong momentum there. I was hoping you could provide some KPIs just in terms of the level of penetration across the platform, recognizing its early days here. What's been the pace of adoption in terms of the attachment rate and just trying to gauge how we should think about the incremental fee opportunity as adoption steadily builds across the platform.
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
Yeah, so we initially launched this in the second half of Last year and you know, with its rollout and then getting advisors initially. So it's starting to really take an uphold across the advisors. As you know, any new platform, people take a little time. The people who actually activated like it and moving more assets in. As Walter said, a lot of the money going in includes new money, so they like it as far as then. Now, having said that, money is coming from other of the various platforms, but because of how they need to adjust their portfolios and move them in and other things, that takes a bit more time. We're also adding more capabilities to it. Like we just added some of our SMAs, et cetera. So I think what my team says is that for previous RAP launches, this is one of the quickest and it's really progressing nicely against what they had expected. And so, you know, I think as we get further along, we'll probably give you some more information on it
Stephen Chewback (Analyst at Wolf Research)
that's helpful. Thanks so much for taking my questions.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Tom Gallagher of Evercore isi. Your line is open.
Tom Gallagher (Analyst at Evercore ISI)
First question is really just on the competition and how you're approaching it. And so if there are irrational deals being offered in the market and you're holding the line, not capitulating on some of the more aggressive packages, I guess my question is, what's the scale of this activity? Is it limited enough where you're not that worried, or is there a risk here that this starts to really become bigger and it could meaningfully impact the size of your advisor base? How broad is this right now? And is it still limited enough that you think it could still achieve your objectives, or is it something you're going to have to react to more forcefully at some point?
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
No, this is. Let me give an example. You know, you could have an RIA where a team thinks that, that, you know, is, you know, something that they are ready or want to move to for a certain reason or based on what they're giving them as the financial incentive, etc. So you got those types of things that happen. We got a large advisor for us, right? So you're going to have a few of those things and. And they always impact when they occur. Then you have a little bit where some of the competitors, you know, they are offering big checks and they promise what they have. And I'll give you an example. And advisors sometimes have a hard time when we bring in advisors from these platforms, and I won't mention names, but they look at what they get here, the technology, the capability and all that. Compared to what they have. And they're like it's night and day. And so you know what people sell as a story and then give a big check sounds wonderful, but you know, that's what will occur. What we do is when that's happening, we'll talk to our advisors, we'll explain, we'll try to what the reality is. And most of them say, hey, no, that's not. But remember, people dabble big checks in front of people and they sometimes jump, sometimes they listen, but it isn't large. And in fact on net recruiting less. What we lost last year was still very positive. So, you know, but this is going to happen because that's what's happened in the industry. You know, when I was in the industry many years ago at the warehouses, it happened because people got overly aggressive. There's some people that always started it with the idea the street always looked at was favorable and then it blew up on them. But you know, it was after the fact. And so people think that's the best way. You look at those people growing top line, you know, whether they pay back in a number of years or not, I don't know. But right now you're given all the credit because of cash earnings, but at the same time you're worried about cash going away. So it's interesting, but that's what's happening. So when you jack up pes based on it, people think it's a free good. And that's what's happening in our environment. In the market today, everything's a free good. So and if you correlate it, as we said, listen, looking at client, looking at the growth we had in client assets, certainly it's very strong and based on the elements of organic growth, the other elements, when you start evaluating, you're looking at your growth coming from net new assets and when you look at the differential on payback that you almost have to be twice as much to even get marginally close to what you're doing. That's what I'm saying. So the impact factor has to be consideration to the size of what we have and the growth and profitability of that and how we manage that. In the organic side of it, you would look the turnover in the industry when someone leaves for a big check, they most likely leave again. If they leave in because they want to go to a place that has a better environment, culture, support, etc. That they can relate to or their clients can, they usually stay. So there isn't. Now you won't see that Initially, right. Because of everybody transitioning. But that's the reality.
Tom Gallagher (Analyst at Evercore ISI)
That's helpful perspective, Jim. And so is the level setting of this. If I X out the Comerica attrition in the quarter, are we talking about the advisors that left outside of that in the quarter? Is that under 100? Just, can you dimension that?
Jim Cracciolo (Chairman and CEO)
No, there wasn't a lot of advisors. What I'm saying is there are some advisor practices again that left and with that you get, you get a couple billion dollars of flows just like when we brought people in in the fourth quarter. You got a couple billion the other way. So what I'm driving at, it wasn't necessarily that there was a large movement of advisors and that's why Walter said it's lumpy and but listen, what you should be looking at is, and you can compare it is when we had growth of our total asset base and our total revenue base and that translated to very strong bottom line consistent with that. That's what I would pay for if I'm investing in a company, if I got a lot of top line growth. But I'm not translating that after all the expenses, after amortization, after expenses for financing all those things, then that's a different question. And I wouldn't invest like I wouldn't buy that company.
Tom Gallagher (Analyst at Evercore ISI)
Gotcha. And then just for my quick follow up here, how should I compare the HBAN deal with a normal we'll say 10 to 20 person advisor practice that you would hire and the type of package you give them, is it comparable? I assume with more scale you can offer better terms to hban. But how would you compare like the IRR to that deal versus a normal
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
smaller deal that you would do? It's a 10 year deal, a growing deal with basically a strong advisor base. So. And the paybacks for this are certainly we feel are within our ranges and makes sense for both of us. So you have to look at this is really a big transaction that will stay with us, will grow with us and has the stability of it. So you can't really look at a one off. It's. This is certainly IRRs are very good and certainly appropriate, but it's the stability of it and the growth potential of it. Gotcha. Thanks.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Kendice Lee of RBC Capital. Your line is open.
Kendice Lee (Analyst at RBC Capital)
Hey, good evening. Thanks for taking my question. Just one follow up on the Huntington deal. Just for completeness. Fair to say that the $28 billion in AUM is going to materialize in either client inflows Or RAP inflows after the fourth quarter just throughout the next couple of.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
No, it will occur. I'm sorry, go ahead. We're targeting that most of that will occur in the fourth quarter.
Kendice Lee (Analyst at RBC Capital)
Okay, great. And then one follow up if I may. Just in terms of the GNA expense and recognizing the back office optimizations you still ongoing within asset management. Any updated outlook around overall G and A expenses there? Thanks. On G and A. You swing for the company? No. Asset management. Oh yeah.
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Asset management certainly should track in being in the range of neutral or a small negative. We really, we still are getting the momentum. As I mentioned, we have the, the back office coming through. So that's in that range. Gotcha.
OPERATOR
Very helpful, thanks. Your next question comes from the line of Alex Blestein of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Anthony
Hey, good afternoon. This is Anthony on for Alex. Maybe just to follow up to the recruiting discussion, I guess what channels are you seeing the most aggressive recruiting packages and appreciate you guys holding the line there. But at what point would you maybe need to revise your payout packages if the industry continues to trend in that direction?
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
Well actually I think you're seeing it in both the W2 and in the franchise where they have gotten. Both of them have gotten extremely aggressive on our fronts and commitment levels. So it's across the board. And again this makes sense looking at payback, looking at really the risk return of it and you gauge it because we rely on organic and then we certainly have to make sense to really give the payback looking at all factors not just trying to get volume.
Anthony
Gotcha. That's. That's helpful. And maybe just for my follow up, the certificates balances kind of continues to trend downward. So how are you thinking about the trajectory of balances from here?
Walter Berman (Chief Financial Officer)
That's strictly a spread play really as it relates to it. And so I think we're going to see can probably stabilize and stay or stay in this range or increase a little, go up again. But it's strictly spread depending on where rates are going from that standpoint because.
Anthony
Thank you. That's helpful.
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