On Friday, Terex (NYSE:TEX) discussed first-quarter financial results during its earnings call. The full transcript is provided below.
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Summary
Terex Corp reported an 11% increase in sales on a pro forma basis for Q1 2026, with significant contributions from the newly integrated specialty vehicle segment.
The company maintained a backlog of $7.1 billion, providing strong visibility for future sales, particularly in materials processing and utilities.
Terex Corp reiterated its full-year 2026 guidance, projecting a 5% growth in sales and an EBITDA margin expansion to 12.4% at the midpoint.
Operational highlights include successful integration of the REV group, with synergies projected to hit $28 million in 2026, and strategic investments to enhance production capacity in key areas.
Management emphasized the resilience of its portfolio, with 80% of revenue generated in North America, insulating it from global macroeconomic and trade uncertainties.
Full Transcript
OPERATOR
Greetings and welcome to the Terex first quarter 2026 results conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Derek Everett, Vice President, Investor Relations. Derek, please go ahead. Good morning and
Derek Everett (Vice President, Investor Relations)
welcome to the Terex first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. A copy of the press release and presentation slides are posted on our investor relations website at investors.terex.com in addition, the replay and slide presentation will be available on our website. We are joined today by Simon Meester, President and Chief Executive Officer and Jennifer Kong, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Their prepared remarks will be followed by a Q and A. Please turn to slide 2 of the presentation which reflects our Safe harbor statement. Today's conference call contains forward looking statements which are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from those expressed or implied. These risks are described in greater detail in the earnings material and in our reports filed with the SEC. On this call we will be discussing non-GAAP financial information including adjusted figures that we believe are useful in evaluating the company's operating performance. Reconciliations for these non-GAAP measures can be found in the conference call materials. Please turn to slide three and I'll hand it over to Simon Meester.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Thanks Derek and good morning. I would like to welcome everyone to our earnings call and appreciate your interest in Terex. We're off to a good start for the year including our new specialty vehicle segment which was in the portfolio for two months of the period and already making a meaningful contribution to the group. We grew sales by 11% on a pro forma basis including growth in all four segments led by specialty vehicles which grew 20% compared to the same period last year. Terex Utilities was our fastest growing business this quarter. The utilities team is doing an excellent job ramping up production in a very bullish market and EPS increased 18% year over year to $0.98 or 6% improvement with a normalized tax rate. Quarter ending backlog increased to $7.1 billion which includes strong bookings trends particularly in materials processing, aerials and Terex Utilities, providing good forward visibility and consistent with our expectations for the year. As a result, we are reiterating our full year outlook and with the recent additions to our portfolio remain laser focused on execution and integration. Which brings me to slide 4 the rev integration is progressing as planned. We are executing the same playbook we used for the Environmental Solutions Group integration and which we completed ahead of schedule and within budget with Synergies above target. For the synergies with Rev, we are on track to realize approximately $28 million in 2026 by eliminating duplicate overhead and have line of sight to achieving a $75 million run rate within our 24 month target. With regards to the integration effort, all work streams are at or ahead of schedule. In addition, I'm particularly encouraged by the way the Legacy TEREX and Legacy REV teams are working together and the two cultures are meshing really well. Last week the Specialty Vehicles team showcased our ThirdEye digital solution at the Fire and Emergency Trade show in Indianapolis and we're very pleased with the level of interest it created. ThirdEye is an AI based solution that our Environmental Solutions segment developed for their customers to provide situational awareness around the vehicle and add tangible commercial and operational benefits. It's an integral part of what is now referred to as smart truck technology in the waste collection sector. Our digital team has already developed applications that leverage this technology for utility vehicles, cement mixers, and have now added fire and emergency vehicles to their scope. So good progress on the REV integration and the Synergies front. We're also pleased with the progress we are making with the strategic review of our AERIALS business. We continue to engage with multiple interested parties and are working towards an outcome that maximizes value for our shareholders. We do not have any specific details to share at this time, but we will continue to update you as the process unfolds. Moving to page five over the past two years we deliberately shifted our portfolio's end market exposure to more US based, resilient and predictable sectors with attractive growth profiles. As a result, TEREX is far less exposed to global macro dynamics and trade policy than in the past. Based on pro forma 2025 results, about 80% of our revenue was generated in North America, of which roughly 85% was manufactured in the United States. Our end markets are more stable and our supply chain is more durable. Touching briefly on our primary verticals, demand for fire and emergency vehicles continues to be strong. We are making strategic investments to improve production efficiency and increase capacity in key areas such as ladder trucks where we are increasing capacity by 35% at our Ocala, Florida plant and in South Dakota we're increasing capacity for the pre engineered S180 pumpers. Both investments will help to reduce lead times and with the S180 pumper provide our customers with a lower cost alternative that we can deliver in about nine months. In waste and recycling, our customers are indicating that 2026 demand will be more skewed towards the second half, including anticipated pre buys ahead of the 2027 EPA changes. HEIL is well positioned to outperform the market again this year due to its product portfolio, production quality and its lead times. We continue to anticipate growth in aftermarket retrofits and digital sales this year and of course the long term fundamental growth drivers for the segment remain intact. Utilities is poised for strong growth for 2026 and beyond as demand on the US grid continues to increase, particularly from data center expansion and AI use cases. Industry forecasts call for 8 to 15% annual capex growth through 2030 and we're making good progress with our phased investment to bring 30% more capacity online by the end of next year. And finally, in construction we see robust infrastructure activities supported by government funding. The pipeline of mega projects provides a tailwind through 2030. MP continues to grow its business in India and we are starting to see improvements in Europe and Australia, although oil prices can potentially hamper some of that growth given the more vulnerable stage both of those markets are currently in. In summary, in the past two years we have built a highly resilient portfolio of businesses that enable us to navigate short term macro and market specific dynamics and deliver on our financial objectives predictably and consistently going forward. And with that I'll turn it over
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
to Jen thank you Simon and good morning everyone. Let's look at our Q1 results on Slide 6. Our operational performance was in line with our expectations. We grew sales to 1.7 billion, an increase of 505 million or 41% compared with the prior year on a reported basis. The growth was due to the merger with Revgroup that closed on February 2 and growth in each of our legacy segments. On a pro forma basis we grew 10.8%, led by strong growth in Specialty Vehicles, Material Processing and Terex Utilities. Excluding the impact of the merger and the sale of our crane and MEWP (Mobile Elevating Work Platform) businesses, organic revenue increased 8.1% with increased sales across all legacy segments. Q1 EBITDA margin was 9.9% down 50 basis points versus the prior year primarily driven by tariffs which were not in effect in the prior year period, partially offset by improved performance in NP and SV. Interest and other expenses of 44 million was 1 million lower than Q1 last year and the first quarter. Effective tax rate was 11% driven by favorable one time tax attributes. EPS for the quarter was $0.98 which included approximately $0.10 of one time tax benefit. When the Q1 tax rate is compared to our 2026 full year expected tax rate of 21%, our operational EPS improvement was $0.05 compared to last year despite the tariff headwinds. Notably, our current Q1 EPS is based on 96.1 million shares outstanding, up from 66.9 million in the first quarter of 2025. Free cash outflow in a quarter was 57 million consistent with Q1 last year. Terex historical cash generation is seasonally weighted towards the back half of the year with first quarter cash outflows reversing as volume increases and working capital unwinds through the remaining of the year. Importantly, our newer businesses, particularly specialty vehicles, have a more favorable working capital profile with significantly less seasonality. As a result, our Q1 net working capital as a percentage of sales improved to 16.7% compared to 26% in the same period last year. We also reduced our net leverage ratio to 2.4x and remain disciplined with our capital structure focused on maximizing value for our shareholders. Please turn to Slide 7 to review our segment results starting with Environmental Solutions. As expected, Sales growth of 3.3% in ERS was driven by Terex Utilities as they began to ramp up to meet strong demand for bucket trucks, diggeredirects and parts and services. Q1 EBITDA margin of 18% was lower than the prior year due to a higher mix of utilities volume where margins continued to improve coupled with lower ESG volume partially offset by higher synergy realization. Turning to slide 8, MP had a very good first quarter, growing bookings and sales and expanding operating margin. Sales of 419 million were 18.3% higher than prior on a pro forma basis or 12% higher excluding the impact of foreign exchange rates. Growth in aggregates was the primary driver as sales grew in every region. The handling and environmental verticals also grew in the quarter. MP EBITDA margin continued to improve reaching 15% of the quarter as higher volume, efficiency improvements and pricing actions drove the 310 basis point increase over the prior year. The margin actions and increasing bookings and backlog sets MP up well for the balance of 2026. Moving to Slide 9, our new specialty vehicle segment got off to a great start generating $436 million of revenue in February and March representing growth of 20% compared with the same period last year. The growth was a combination of price realization and higher unit deliveries across all product lines, partially due to weather related delivery timing. EBITDA margin increased by 160 basis points to 14.2% driven by higher throughput price realization and improved operational efficiency. Turning to page 10, ARIS had another strong bookings quarter with 132% book to bill generating a 1 billion backlog, giving us forward visibility as we head into the annual selling season. Sales in the quarter were 469 million, up 4.2% year over year largely due to positive foreign exchange rates. As expected, ARIS EBITDA was break even because Q1 is typically a seasonally low volume quarter and due to tariffs which the business did not incur this time last year. In addition, the business faced some temporary unfavorable mix but expects favorable price cost dynamics for the remaining of the year. Turning to bookings on slide 11 before going into each segment for Terex, overall Q1 pro forma bookings of 2.1 billion represented 109% book to bill ratio and led to modestly higher backlog on a sequential and year over year basis. In environmental solutions, Q1 bookings were 347 million, slightly lower than prior quarters due to the timing of several large utilities bookings that were recorded in Q4. We expect bookings level and utilities to remain strong and our focus remains on ramping up throughput to meet demand. On the ESG side, we expect orders to be more heavily weighted to the second half of the year, including additional orders for delivery in advance of the new 2027 EPA regulations. MP bookings of 623 million reflects 38% year over year growth on a pro forma basis. While aggregates was the main driver. Bookings also increased in concrete, material handling and environment. MP ended the quarter with 594 million in backlog, up 205 million or 53% versus the prior year, setting it up for strong performance through 2026. SV bookings came in at 501 million. As you can see on the chart. Orders can be lumpy in the segment, but overall the backlog remains elevated and the team is focusing on bringing lead times down with calculated investments. Finally, Arri's bookings of 620 million in Q1 combined with 971 million in Q4 is 21% higher than the same six months period a year ago. While growth was strongest in North America. We also saw modest growth in EMEA, providing good visibility for the balance of 2026. Now turn to Slide 12 for our 2026 outlook. We are operating in a complex environment with many macroeconomic variables and geopolitical uncertainties and results could change negatively or positively. The outlook we are providing today reflects our current portfolio and does not account for any cost to achieve the synergies, purchase, accounting adjustments nor other non recurring items. Our first quarter performance bulking trends and backlog of 7.1 billion supports reconfirming the full year 2026 outlook that we provided in February. Overall, we continue to expect 2026 sales to grow approximately 5% on a pro forma basis to 7.5 to 8.1 billion. We further expect pro forma EBITDA to grow by approximately or 12% year over year to between 930 million and 1 billion or 12.4% EBITDA margin at the midpoint. Included in our EBITDA outlook is approximately 28 million of synergies that we're well on our way to realizing. This is in line with our goal to achieve 75 million run rate synergies within two years of climbing. Closing the merger. We continue to anticipate interest and other expenses to be approximately 190 million consistent with Pro Forma 2025. Based on average debt outstanding of about 2.7 billion, the effective tax rate for the full year is still expected to be 21%. We expect 2026 EPS between $4.50. Please note the share count for quarters two through four will be approximately 115 million. For modeling purposes, approximately 25% of our full year EPS is anticipated in the second quarter as we expect profitability in areas and environmental solutions to improve in the second half. We expect 2026 free cash conversion of between 80% and 90% of our net income. Our net leverage is expected to improve over the course of the year. Looking at our segments, we expect environmental solutions to grow mid single digits in 2026 led by utilities where we continue to ramp up production to meet strong demand. We expect margin to improve in the second half due to higher volume including digital and aftermarket productivity improvements and improved customer mix. We do not foresee a material impact from the recent tariff changes on ES performance. Turning to MP the strong start to the year and growth in bookings and backlog gives us confidence in our high stakes single digit pro forma growth outlook for the segment largely driven by aggregates. We also expect margins to improve through 2026 due to higher volume productivity and favorable price costs. It's important to understand that mobile crashing and screening equipment, the primary products in the aggregate vertical that we import from the UK are not subject to 232 tariffs. Our new specialty vehicle segment got off to a great start and with roughly two years of backlog provides very good visibility for the balance of the year. We continue to expect sales growth of high single digits from an 11 month pro forma prior year total of 2.2 billion. We also continue to expect meaningful margin improvement compared to the prior year EBITDA margin of approximately 12.5% due to higher throughput price realization and ongoing operational improvements. From a modeling perspective, we expect run rate revenue and margins in Q2 and Q3 to be similar to Q1 with a modest seasonal step down in Q4 due to fewer working days. We do not foresee a material impact from recent tariff changes on ASV performance. Finally, in Arios we continue to anticipate 2026 sales and margin to be similar to 2025. We have good visibility with over $1 billion in backlog following back to back quarters with strong bookings, margins are expected to improve significant sequentially in the second and third quarters with higher volume price realization, favorable customer mix and disciplined cost management. Even with a higher impact of tariffs versus last year, we expect ARES to be largely price cost neutral for the full year. With Q1 behind us, healthy backlog and fleet utilization, we expect the business to have bottomed and start its path to cyclical recovery. In summary, given that we are only 1/4 into the year and there are macro variables that we do not control, we believe it is prudent to hold our 2026 outlook at this point in time. We will obviously refine our outlook as the year unfolds. Please turn to slide 14 and I'll turn it back to Simon.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Thanks Jen. We delivered a solid start to 2026 with strength in materials processing and utilities and a strong initial contribution from our new specialty vehicle Segment integration. Execution is progressing as planned and we are on track to deliver our synergy commitments. Our portfolio is more resilient and predictable with greater North America exposure and less sensitive to macro volatility and tariff changes than in prior. Our teams are focused on disciplined execution against our strategy and our annual plan as we build on the progress that we've made to date. And with that I would like to open it up for questions.
OPERATOR
Operator we will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow up. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one To raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press Star one. Again, we ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by now, while we compile the Q and A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Angel Castillo with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Angel Castillo (Equity Analyst)
Hi, good morning and happy Friday and thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to start, I guess you delivered a very solid Q1 here in an EPS. You know, you had very strong bookings and improving margins in all the segments. And yet I guess you chose to hold the full year guidance constant. So, you know, Jennifer, I know you kind of qualified it as prudent. But curious, I guess, is this primarily a function of macro tariff uncertainty or just more about conservatism? And then curious if you could add to the extent that there is conservatism in the guide? I guess where are you seeing most areas of uncertainty within the business? Or where do you see the most kind of room for upside risk in terms of the segments or the products?
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah. Morning, Angel. Thanks for the question. The short answer is, as Jen said in her prepared remarks, that it's much more about discipline and timing than any change in how we feel about the fundamentals of the business. We're very pleased with how the year started, you know, Q1 execution, strong bookings and backlog improved and we are seeing good momentum across the board. That said, we're only one quarter into the year. We're operating in an environment that still has a fair amount of uncertainty around macro conditions and tariffs. And so we believe that at this point it's most prudent to confirm the outlook that we set in February, which already contemplated solid growth and margin expansion and synergy realization. And we feel like it reflects our confidence in delivering those commitments while also basically allowing us to see a bit more conversion and volume flow through the system. Importantly, I think is, you know, nothing that we've seen year to date has changed our confidence in the underlying trajectory of the business. And as the year progress, we'll gain additional visibility and we'll continue to evaluate the outlook based on how we execute and how things evolve at the macro level. But for now, we think reaffirming is the right and responsible approach.
Angel Castillo (Equity Analyst)
That's totally fair. And I guess as a follow up to that, Simon, I was hoping you could unpack the backlog and book trends a little bit more, I guess. First, just curious how orders have progressed through your segments in March and April. I think you just noted that there's maybe you haven't seen anything change so far, but just a little bit more color on that. And also if you could expand on the MP bookings and backlog I think that's the strongest we've seen in a couple of years here. So just can you talk about what you're seeing in terms of demand there and whether that was maybe more of a one time step up or if it's just kind of a continuation that you anticipate in terms of demand?
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
No, I mean, we're very encouraged by the bookings in MP. We think there's strong momentum. MPs, you know, as you know, is mostly a dealer model. We see fleets at a healthy level, we see utilization at a healthy level. We see RPOs coming back in which were being a little, a little delayed in the last couple of quarters, but we're seeing the RPOs picking back up. So we're very, very pleased with the momentum that we see building in MP and we expect that to carry forward in the remainder of the year. Pleased with the bookings in aerials. We've got now six of the nine months covered and with, you know, some of that price cost coming our way for the remainder of the quarters, we feel good about where that's going. And then on es, very strong environmental solutions, very strong bookings, continued bookings in utilities, although when the slide that we showed shows a little bit of a dip in Q1, that's mostly because we had bookings that we thought would drop in Q1, dropped in Q4 with TRX utilities, so they were a bit lumpy. And secondly, we see the center of gravity for ESG bookings more in the second half tied to new product introductions, fleet replacements and potential pre buys. So that explains a little bit the booking pattern in ES and then last SV continues to be moving strong on bookings, although as lead times gradually and slowly start to improve, you know, we expect bookings to start to come down at some point because as you can see from our appendix in the earnings deck, our backlog basically in that business has been going up consistently for the last three years and as an industry we've been very focused on bringing that down, hence the investments that I spoke about in my prepared remarks. So we should be seeing bookings come down at some point in SV and see us working that backlog down. So I think bookings strong story this quarter and particularly encouraged with some of our, you know, like MP and aerials, that we see some early cycle signs here. You know, we see some Indies independence picking up in aerials, which is typically a sign for us that, you know, there might be some early cycle momentum building here that we're encouraged by for the year.
OPERATOR
Very helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Kyle Mendes with Citigroup. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Kyle Mendes (Equity Analyst)
Great. Thank you. I was hoping if you could just talk about any changes to how you're thinking about margins across the segments for the year and tariff impacts. I think you said in the press release fairly negligible, but are tariffs at least somewhat of a incremental headwinds weighing on the guide?
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
Right. Hey. Hey Kyle. Good morning. This is Jen. So maybe I'll start with MP first. Given the great performance in Q1, we expect a further step up in our margin profile in Q2 and Q3 driven by the higher volume support of our backlog and the higher bookings and also favorable makes and price cost favorability in that segment. So we expect that to go up further. Now on ES, we expect that Q2 to be very similar than Q1, our Q2 margin profile, our volumes continue to be driven by utilities and then we expect a meaningful step up in our margin profile in second half of the year for ES versus first half of the year driven by esg book to Bill that Simon actually referenced in his prepared remarks. We expect higher margin digital and aftermarket to drop through into second half of the year. And then finally utilities continue to drive throughput as both of our Waukesha and Birmingham and store facilities continues to ramp up. So ending with maybe SV on our SV margin, we expect, like I mentioned in the prepared remarks, the Q2 and Q3 run rate to be very similar to our Q1 and then a marginal step down in Q4 due to, you know, lower less working days and due to customer inspections. Now in terms of the areas segment, we do expect that Q2 we expect a natural step up driven by our seasonal demand at 25% increase incremental. We then expect Q3 of further step up driven by favorable customer mix, favorable capitalized variances and cost actions. And then Q4 which is a natural step down driven by seasonal lower demand partially offset by realization of additional cost actions. So again for areas Q1 was price cost unfavorable for the rest of year? Is price cost favorable which leads to a full year price cost neutral.
Kyle Mendes (Equity Analyst)
Got it. And I'm just curious, your confidence level in Ariel's being price cost favorable for the rest of the year with maybe some incremental tariff impacts. Curious if there's any ability to get additional price or getting some help perhaps from a higher mix of independents. Would just love to hear that.
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
And Carl, I forgot to address your question on Tariff piece from a sequential standpoint, I don't see additional hate when on our tariff. The reason why I mentioned that in the press release, it's negligible in the tariff is because the change in the 232 calculation is largely offset by the IEPO going away. So for us, for the areas business, we do have six months of backlog ready in our backlog and we can see what is the margin profile of those backlog. We can see a favorable mix in our customer mix and also indies that is in our backlog and also the pipeline as well. So we are very comfortable with the price cost favorability for the rest of the year.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah. So to put forward visibility on price, cost and mix, that basically is what giving us confidence of the step up in margin Aerials.
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
Helpful. Thank you guys. Thank you.
OPERATOR
Thank you.
Mig Dobre
Your next question comes from the line of Mig Dobre with Baird. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Yeah, thank you so much. Appreciate the time here. I guess. Great to hear that tariffs are not having much of an impact, but curious as to how you're managing inflation more broadly. I mean we're seeing it in material costs, we're seeing it in energy freight components. So you know, where are you today versus maybe where you were back when you initially issued this guidance from a overall cost standpoint and what are you doing to be able to maintain, you know, positive price costs like you talked about earlier. Is this a function of additional pricing adjustments on your end or is there something else inherent in how you're operating this year that we should be aware of?
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
Hey Meg, good morning, this is Jan. So in terms of, you know, cost inflation, any of our CPI index changes, it usually has a three to six months lag due to the hedging program that we do have, the vendor contracts that we are locked in for three to 12 months ahead of time. The commodity inflation is really baked into our current outlook. What we see in terms of the only risk from a cost inflation standpoint, it's higher inbound freight costs that we might have to incur for some of our international routes. From a mitigation standpoint, as you know, our SV segment already bacon 6 to 8% of value at a price in our backlog which covers the CPI inflation based on delivery lead times. The SV segment also has commercial chassis that's on a pass through pricing mechanism so that it doesn't really impact us at all. And MP and ESG is more of a book to build business right now given the nominalization, which means that if we cannot mitigate the cost ourselves, we have the ability to flow down them as a surcharge. Our 2026 guidance already conservatively accounts for the known energy and commodity headwinds. And with North America now representing more than 80% of our revenue, where energy inflation is more moderate and end market fundamentals remain robust, I feel that we're well positioned to manage the energy price validity in 2026 without any material downside risk to our current outlook.
Mig Dobre
All right, understood. My follow up in materials processing. Very good, very good order performance there. I'm wondering if this is a function of dealers finally starting to restock, if that's the case. I'm wondering relative to history, where do you think this process is? You know, how many more innings do we have in terms of to dealer restock and how do you separate that from actual end user demand at this point and how that's developed? Thank you.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, great question. It's a little bit of both. It's definitely end user demand is picking up as well, particularly in the United States. We've had the tailwind of megaprojects for quite some time, but now data centers we actually see more spent actually landing in terms of infrastructure and road and bridge building, if you will. And all those are mobile crusher applications. Now obviously that drives some of the sentiment and that also drives some of the willingness of our dealers to replenish. But we also see RPO conversions picking up, as I think I mentioned earlier on this call. So it's a little bit of both. Fleets are where they need to be. They're not high, they're not low. But basically most of the bookings in crushing and screening is triggered by RPO conversion. So if a customer converts a rental into a procured unit, it turns it into a booking from our dealer onto us. So it's a little bit of mix of both, of more end user demand, a little bit better sentiment and then fleets being in the right place.
Mig Dobre
Appreciate it, thank you. Thanks Mike. Good luck with the construction.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of Tim Thien with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Tim Thien
Excellent. Thank you. Good morning. Yeah, just the first question on the specialty vehicle segment. With just a bit more time accrued under your belt owning rev, I'm just wondering if there have been any notable takeaways or findings that you know, inform you about the. Just the outlook for the business and kind of the prospect for synergies as you look out. So maybe just kind of an update on Rev to start.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, no, appreciate the question. Obviously Very excited. A lot of good things happening. They had a good start of the year. It's only two months. We actually had a slightly better start to the year than we had originally anticipated. Because of some of the weather in January, we weren't able to fly customers in 40 final inspection of their trucks. So some of that kind of revenue that we were anticipating in January actually dropped into four February. That's why they were up a bit more in February, March than I think they will be for the remainder of the year. That's why we're holding their guide to a high single digit, even though they were well into the double digits for the first two months. But yeah, I mean, it's obviously a lot of backlog to work through. So the focus needs to stay on production output, quality production output. And that's what the team has been focusing on for the last six, seven quarters. And we want to make sure that we help help them maintain that momentum and that's really where the focus is. But at the same time, you know, we are very inspired and encouraged by the synergies that we're seeing. Not just from, you know, an overhead standpoint, but also operational synergies, you know, looking at each other's supply chains and there's, there's a lot there. So we're very encouraged by the synergy pipeline as that is ramping up and that's building out. And then as I said in my prepared remarks, we have eight or nine work streams to basically integrate the business and we're doing well, really well on all of those work, work stream. So so far it's been, it's been a great first couple of months and we're very excited with what that business can bring to our group overall.
Tim Thien
Got it. Okay. Probably a bit of a stretch to call this a related follow up, but so be it. Maybe just to want to spend a minute for an update on your stake in Apptronic. You know, there's obviously lots of buzz these days around Humanoid Robotics and there's been some speculation of additional funding rounds likely on the horizon, potentially at like a, you know, 15 or $20 billion implied valuation for that company. So I was hoping you can just remind us of your ownership stake and I guess secondarily how if at all, you're, you're leveraging that technology within your operations. So thank you.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, thanks for the question. Maybe for context, Eptronic is a Humanoid manufacturer and we made an investment in Eptronic several years ago because we believed that Humanoids would have application in our business and we're thinking about warehousing, manufacturing, maybe even job sites. And our stake has certainly nicely appreciated over the last couple of years. But yeah, we have an active technology pipeline with Eptronic and we actually launched our first prototype of a zero gravity arm that was developed by co developer Eptronic and genie at the ConExpo show a little over a month ago and proudly voted as one of the five best innovations shown at the show by, I believe it was Construction Weekly. And it's a great. That's an industry game changer, we think, because it significantly increased safety and it allows basically one person in the platform to install, you know, ceiling panels or drywall because the zero gravity arm holds it all in place, you know, effortlessly. And you can manipulate and operate that arm really with just one finger, you know. So that's a great example of what Eptronic is bringing to our industry. And the feedback that we received from customers at that show was really encouraging. So those are the kind of things that we're working on with Evtronic and we're very pleased with that partnership.
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
And Tim, this is Jen, if I could just add on, we account for that at the cost perspective. So the valuation that you talk about is not recorded.
OPERATOR
Your next question comes from the line of David Razzo with Evercore isi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
David Razzo
Thank you for the time. Specialty vehicles, I appreciate the January month when you did not own it. There was less shipments and you sort of got the benefit that they shipped later in the quarter when you did own it. But let's just talk about the first quarter pro forma. It seems like specialty vehicle revenues, pro forma, if you donate the whole quarter, are about, you know, $615 million, 620, something like that. When you say revenue run rate to be similar to the first quarter, is that sort of the revenue number you're referencing? I just want to follow up on that just so I get clarification first.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, it's probably. You're not far off on that number. It's probably going to step up a little bit in Q2, Q3, but then it's going to come down in Q4 because we have less working days in Q4, but you're not far off.
David Razzo
David, I guess the spirit of the question is your ability to bring better throughput to Rev Group's factories was a key aspect of maybe the opportunity to really leverage the backlog this year. And just curious why we would not see a step up. And you can I understand if it's first quarter. We don't want to look out too far and change the guidance. But I'm just curious why would think there's no throughput increase from that first quarter run rate? Because it would imply the rest of the year has very little growth.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
So we are right from a year ago. Yeah, we are guiding high single digits for the segment and typically about you know, 2/3 of that is probably price and 1/3 of that is unit growth. Now we do have, I mentioned investments coming online but those mostly will come online in the fourth quarter of the year. So they don't yet have a meaningful impact for 2026. But that going from mid single to high single digit kind of unit growth, that's really the focus that we have for that business for 2020, 2027. Now obviously there's two years backlog. We think that that eventually will settle at a one year kind of backlog level. That that's where that's what we think is the sustainable level. So that's the trajectory that we're working on.
David Razzo
again though sequentially I would just think in the backlog seem to get repriced well that be there'd be a little more sequential from that first quarter run rate. I'm just trying to level set everybody just that seems like an area where especially trying to get that backlog down. I mean as you said it's a huge backlog. It's two years backlog. You know I appreciate that'll be coming down but just trying to understand the factory opportunity, the backlog repriced opportunity just to make sure we understand the revenue. It is what it is. You're saying the revenue will be flat sequentially from a pro forma basis kind of 1Q to 2Q 3Q. I'm just making sure I understand fully.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yeah, no, I said step up from Q2 to Q1. So sorry. Q1 to Q2 will be a step up and then Q3 and then Q4 will be a step down because of working days. So the units built per day is going to continue to step up over the course of the year.
David Razzo
Yeah. So David, this is Jen. If I could just add on your earlier comments. Jen, that's why. Okay, thank you. The earlier comment was revenue and margins 2Q and 3Q similar to 1. And I just wanted to get clarification on that.
OPERATOR
All right.
Jamie Cook
All right, thank you so much. I appreciate it. All right, thanks. David,
OPERATOR
your next question comes from the line of Jamie Cook with Truest Securities. Your line is open.
Jamie Cook
Hi, good morning. Hi, good Morning and congrats to your nextar. Sorry, another question on specialty again, just want to make sure I understand the margins you're going to do better than the 12.5% adjusted EBITDA margins for specialty gen. And I think last quarter you talked about sort of a 30% incremental, I guess. Is that still the right way to think about it? And how are you thinking about specialty in terms of like, where those margins can go longer term? It seems like we should be able to do better than what Rev Group talked about in terms of their, you know, margin expansion. So where can that actual EBITDA margin number go? And then my second question's on, you know, aerials, I guess. Simon, with aerial markets potentially getting better, you know, I'm just trying to understand how that's impacting, like the bidding process in the sense that things are getting better. Does that mean more people are interested in it? Or like, to what degree would you want to hold off on the sale because markets are getting better? Perhaps maybe next year you can do better than the, you know, flat margin you're going to do this year. Just trying to understand how the market's inflecting or impacting the decision on the sale. Thank you.
Jennifer Kong (Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer)
Yeah. Hey Jamie, good morning. So in terms of margin profile for sv, maybe if I could just mention, you know, Rev Group, they did an Investor Day probably two years ago on committing to a 2027 Investor Day margin profile. In fact, they're right now in 2027, they will be achieving that one year in advance. So I'm very pleased with the performance with regards to, you know, the margin step up over in Q2 and Q3. As you can see in our pro forma, for just three months, January to 20 to March, the EBITDA margin is 13.1%, 100 basis point improvements versus last year. I expect this margin profile to continue to have a step up sequentially, more than 100 basis points year over year. So every single time that you look into year over year, it will be more than this 100% basis point margin improvement throughout the year. Even with the step down in production, in the delivery, in Q4, very comfortable with the price and the backlog, very comfortable with the throughput that we're seeing. And most importantly, what, what makes this business margin sustainable and keep on improving is on the sourcing that they do have a clawback mechanism with the vendor. There's a lot of centralized sourcing initiatives that have actually already started and we do expect that that will improve through till the end of the year as well at this point in time. The what I shared in the margin profile does not include any other synergies outside of corporate. So I'm very comfortable with the margin expansion year over year throughout the year. More than Q1 pro forma pieces.
OPERATOR
And I'll take your follow up, Jamie, on the process. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't really change the process. We, we've always been very clear that this is a through cycle discussion and that's exactly how, you know, the discussions with, with multiple parties have been. It's, it's a long term, as a, it has a long term nature. And the fact that, you know, I think it's well documented that, that Ariels is a cyclical business. That it, you know, historically, you know, five, seven years up, two years down. We're now at the end of the second year. The fact that it cycles up a little faster than maybe some anticipate for us. The first quarter came in as we expected. The bookings came in as we expected. So it doesn't really change our view on the process and our view on the outlook. But it's, it's obviously a good problem to have to see the early signs of a cycle. Thanks for the question.
Tammy Zakaria
Your next question comes from the line of Tammy Zakaria with JP Morgan Chase. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Hey. Hi, good morning. Thank you so much for the time. I heard you say you're expecting some pre buys in high OESG in the back half. I was wondering how does that impact your view about orders and revenue growth potential for that segment in 2027 after you're done with the pre buy related pickup? Yeah, we don't, so, so this, this business doesn't really cycle Tammy, very strongly. So we're talking, you know, it's all within the margin, if you will. We don't see a major uptick in terms of pre buys either in the second half. We think there's some, we actually think that 2027 looks pretty good from just from a fleet expansion standpoint. And there's, you know, what I did not mention, I believe in my prepared remarks is that there's a lot of new technology coming out as well in the second half that we think will drive a lot of momentum for us going into 2027. We're obviously not guiding today for 2027, but we're not concerned that whatever happens in the second half will, will have a material impact on 2027. There's, there's a lot of momentum There, Understood. That's very helpful. And so related to that, given you're expecting a lot of technology to be introduced in the back half, should we expect stronger price realization as you price for these enhancements?
Tammy Zakaria
Well, I mean our mantra has always been to be price cost neutral and whatever value or cost we, we, we find or add is for the benefit of the shareholder. That, that's our, that's our, that's our mantra. And you know, not, I don't think we should forget that this business is, is already operating in, in the high teens, performing really strongly. And that, and part of the reason is because it's, you know, we're running a very efficient factory in Fort Payne, Alabama and we're running a very accretive product portfolio that is well, well, well accepted by, by its customer base because of the benefits that it creates for our customers. So we'll take that same approach. We want to be market based in terms of our pricing and we want to continue to create value for our customers. That's what's going to drive that.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Understood, thank you.
Jerry Revitch
Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Revitch with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yes. Hi. Good morning everyone. Good morning, Simon. Hi Simon. I'm wondering if we, we could just get your latest thoughts on capital deployment. If you do complete the Ariel's divestiture, what are you seeing in terms of the M and A landscape? How likely is it that we'll be looking at stock buyback versus additional opportunities to expand the portfolio? Can you just give us your updated views?
Jerry Revitch
Yeah, I appreciate the question, Jerry. I really don't want to get as ahead of myself here on this. Our most, our immediate focus is on integration and execution deliver on what we've committed to for the year. Really if you think about it, you know, we've gone through quite some change in the last two years. So making sure that all the work streams get done in terms of the integration and building up our synergy is our primary focus. And whatever the balance sheet will look like as we move forward, as always, we will look at what is best for our shareholders. And we like the optionality. The optionality is only growing. It's only getting better for Terex, which means that our opportunity to add value for our shareholders is only going to increase going forward. So we'll deal with it when it comes. But it will be the tiebreaker will be whatever is best for our shareholders. Super.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
And then separately on specialty, really good operating performance in the quarter. As you shared in the pro forma financials. I want to ask from a booking standpoint, can you just talk about what kind of book to bill we should be expecting for in two Q. And we Q What's the cadence based on the awards pipeline that the team is working towards in that line of business?
Jerry Revitch
And you said specialty, didn't you Jerry?
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Yes, Simon.
OPERATOR
Yeah. So the bookings are typically lumpy in specialty vehicles. So it's kind of touch and go. But if you look I can probably give you maybe more of a trend answer. We expect that at some point the bookings will start to soften just because to David's question earlier, as we, you know, as we continue to ramp up throughput and lead times will start to slowly improve, you know, naturally bookings become a function of lead time and availability and will have to come down because trucks, trucks being put to use, you know, is a very is a consistent number that just grows, you know, at a mid single digit CAGR every single year. So the bookings will evolve as a function of how lead times improve. So we expect bookings to slowly come down and eventually where supply demand will meet is where we're planning for is around that one year lead time. So that's how I see I don't know if it will quite pick up this year yet, but certainly next year.
Simon Meester (President and Chief Executive Officer)
Thank you.
OPERATOR
Thank you.
A
There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Simon Meester for closing remarks.
C
Thank you operator and thank you all for the questions. Yeah, Terek's off to a good start of the year and the integration of the Legacy Red business is progressing as planned. In less than two years, we have effectively merged three businesses into a single much stronger company. And given that we're still early in the year and in light of ongoing geopolitical uncertainty, we believe it's prudent to maintain our full year guidance at this time and we remain firmly focused on delivering against it. And I'm particularly proud of the 17,000 Terex team members who make it all possible day in, day out. Thank you for joining us today and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter. And with that operator, please disconnect the call.
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